DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[trundler]

From what I've seen Weekes is generally rated ahead for being less of an HTB. Chanders should be around soon because of his low RPI and SR.

 

[Coronis]

From what I've seen Weekes is generally rated ahead for being less of an HTB. Chanders should be around soon because of his low RPI and SR.

Mm I’ve seen him been called out for more minnow bashing than Walcott, quality opposition and away record stats should be interesting comparisons between the two.

 

[ankitj]

Weekes, Chanderpaul, Dravid, Sutcliffe, Waugh should be next 5.

But there can be surprises like Chappell earlier.

 

[ataraxia]

Waugh next, then Dravid, then Weekes, then Chanders I think. Sutcliffe is top 10 material IMO.

 

[Burgey]

My main criticism of Waugh is that he should have batted in top 4 position. His average of 50 is boosted by lots of not outs. He was superior test batsman to Mark Waugh yet he batted below him . Imagine Tendulkar batting below
Laxman or Lara batting below Hooper . This is my opinion. You may disagree.

Tendulkar never moved from four no matter how badly the team may have needed him to. Apparently this is a strength.

 

[Burgey]

My main criticism of Waugh is that he is Australian. This is my opinion. You may disagree.

Well, indeed.

 

[Cabinet96]

Can we just not.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The difference between batting average and RPI for Steve Waugh is 9 . That is almost 18% of his batting average. Let's wait for 1 more week . We will know where he stands.

here we go with the nonsensical "not outs boost averages" **** again

 

[ataraxia]

here we go with the nonsensical "not outs boost averages" **** again

Yeah I've never understood that.

 

[ataraxia]

Mm I’ve seen him been called out for more minnow bashing than Walcott, quality opposition and away record stats should be interesting comparisons between the two.

No way. Sir Everton Weekes - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket Sir Clyde Walcott - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket

And similar home stats. Weekes is the greatest 'W' in batting IMO.

And Worrell is overrated away compared to Weekes: http://www.howstat.com/cricket//Statistics/Players/PlayerHomeAway.asp?PlayerID=1940.

 

[Slifer]

No way. Sir Everton Weekes - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket Sir Clyde Walcott - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket

And similar home stats. Weekes is the greatest 'W' in batting IMO.

And Worrell is overrated away compared to Weekes: Sir Frank Worrell - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket.

I believe it has more to do with the fact that most of weekes ' good away performances were vs weaker teams. Ditto Walcott.

 

[Slifer]

here we go with the nonsensical "not outs boost averages" **** again

Don't waste your time. Clearly the that poster has some sort of agenda where he can come up with all sorts of illogical arguments. FWIW if Waugh owes his 50+ average to not outs, then so does god aka SRT. His rpi is 48 which is about a little over 10% less than his career average.

 

[Slifer]

No way. Sir Everton Weekes - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket Sir Clyde Walcott - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket

And similar home stats. Weekes is the greatest 'W' in batting IMO.

And Worrell is overrated away compared to Weekes: Sir Frank Worrell - Performance Analysis by venue Home / Away - Test Cricket.

Just relooked Weekes Carter and really they aren't half bad. 40+ vs all teams except England against whom he averaged 39. Away to Australia and England he appeared to struggle but that's not quite true imo. He did well in the 1950 series going at 50+ against an attack that at times had the likes of laker and bedser. In 57 vs imo a more potent attack he really struggled. Had to deal with the likes of Trueman, stratham, lock etc. So one very good series and one very poor one away to England. Vs Australia now well he only played them away once. And I know for a fact that he was bounced mercilessly by Miller and lindwall. See what wagner is doing to smith now but without helmets or bouncer restrictions and from both ends. Never got the chance to go back to correct that blemish. So yeah overall not too shabby from the great sir Everton.

 

[OverratedSanity]

here we go with the nonsensical "not outs boost averages" **** again

Don't waste your time. Clearly the that poster has some sort of agenda where he can come up with all sorts of illogical arguments. FWIW if Waugh owes his 50+ average to not outs, then so does god aka SRT. His rpi is 48 which is about a little over 10% less than his career average.

I don't get how what sunilz said is illogical. Averaging 50 without not outs is objectively more useful to a team than averaging 50 with not outs because you're scoring more runs for the cause in the former. You can disagree that it shows who's a better batsman but in terms of output there is a pretty obvious difference.

 

[Days of Grace]

@DoG, where does Dean Jones rated?

127th (662 points)

 

[Days of Grace]

Update

21 AB de Villiers 817
22 GS Chappell 816
23 Younis Khan 810
24 AR Border 810
25 RG Pollock 809
26 V Sehwag 808
27 GA Headley 807
28 CL Walcott 806
29 AD Nourse 801
30 Inzamam-ul-Haq 801
31 DPMD Jayawardene 792
32 Mohammad Yousuf 790
33 ML Hayden 788
34 JE Root 779
35 Javed Miandad 778
36 KS Williamson 777
37 CH Lloyd 775
38 MJ Clarke 773
39 A Flower 772
40 RB Kanhai 770
41 HM Amla 765
42 DA Warner 764
43 G Boycott 764
44 GC Smith 758
45 DCS Compton 756
46 RN Harvey 755
47 AN Cook 753
48 MEK Hussey 753
49 GA Gooch 749
50 C Hill 747
51 RB Simpson 746
52 KP Pietersen 745
53 KD Walters 741
54 AC Gilchrist 741
55 ER Dexter 736
56 PBH May 730
57 SJ McCabe 730
58 FMM Worrell 728
59 MC Cowdrey 727
60 SM Nurse 725
61 GA Faulkner 724
62 CG Greenidge 722
63 CA Pujara 722
64 WM Lawry 722
65 VVS Laxman 720
66 DI Gower 719
67 VT Trumper 717
68 B Mitchell 717
69 RB Richardson 716
70 PA de Silva 715
71 Saeed Anwar 712
72 JL Langer 711
73 LRPL Taylor 711
74 TT Samaraweera 708
75 MD Crowe 706
76 EJ Barlow 702
77 DL Amiss 702
78 Zaheer Abbas 701
79 AD Mathews 700
80 Misbah-ul-Haq 700
81 GP Thorpe 699
82 AR Morris 696
83 M Azharuddin 695
84 DR Martyn 695
85 IM Chappell 694
86 CH Gayle 694
87 ME Waugh 694
88 TW Graveney 693
89 G Kirsten 692
90 Saleem Malik 692
91 EH Hendren 690
92 JH Edrich 685
93 GR Viswanath 684
94 SM Katich 683
95 NC O'Neill 683
96 HW Taylor 681
97 MA Taylor 681
98 DC Boon 681
99 DB Vengsarkar 679
100 Hanif Mohammad 679

 

[OverratedSanity]

I'm curious about kallicharan, amarnath and hazare, DoG. Thought they'd all sneak in due to one reason or another, especially amarnath because of the away record.

 

[kyear2]

Just relooked Weekes Carter and really they aren't half bad. 40+ vs all teams except England against whom he averaged 39. Away to Australia and England he appeared to struggle but that's not quite true imo. He did well in the 1950 series going at 50+ against an attack that at times had the likes of laker and bedser. In 57 vs imo a more potent attack he really struggled. Had to deal with the likes of Trueman, stratham, lock etc. So one very good series and one very poor one away to England. Vs Australia now well he only played them away once. And I know for a fact that he was bounced mercilessly by Miller and lindwall. See what wagner is doing to smith now but without helmets or bouncer restrictions and from both ends. Never got the chance to go back to correct that blemish. So yeah overall not too shabby from the great sir Everton.

Weekes also suffered from a serious leg injury on his tour to Australia where he was basically batting on one leg. He understandably struggled in that series

 

[honestbharani]

AB was easily the most amazing batsman when on song. And someone who served his team by keeping wickets when he could have easily said no. Its a shame his body and mind could not co-operate but FMD people post as if he played for just 5 years or something. He is easily one of the greats and ATGs and is honestly slightly lower than I would have thought in this exercise. But amazing amazing batsman and brilliant fielder and very good wicket keeper. Can easily make a play for an ATG XI. Just greatness and awesomeness all around. Seems like a very wholesome and likeable dude too, so that helps as well.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.20

Shivnarine Chanderpaul (West Indies) 820

Quality Points: 724
Career Points: 96

Career/Runs: 1994-2015, 11867 (rank 5)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 50.12 (51.37) 41.34 (42.38) 40.62 (43.32) (rank 37)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2011-2014): 71.10 49.77 41.81 (rank 25)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 44.76 38.06 41.81 (rank 80)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 50.07 42.78 41.28 (rank 34)

A great servant for West Indies cricket, Shivnarine Chanderpaul played until the age of 40, an extremely rare thing in the 21st century. His long service is reflected in his being ranked 5th in career points. What is also apparent in the stats however is that Chanderpaul usually batted below no.4, especially during his peak years and thus accrued a lot of unbeaten innings as his teammates were got out around him. His peak RPI is only 70% of his peak average, which points to the fact that his runs did not have as much impact on the matches he played as a high average suggests. This, coupled with his low strike-rate, give weight to the accusations from some that Chanderpaul was somewhat selfish and didn't change gears when the situation demanded it. Or perhaps he was doing his best to dig in for his country. He also once scored 100 off 72 balls against Australia. This anomaly, together with his awkward-looking front-on stance, make Chanderpaul one of the most enigmatic batsman of the modern era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UPvQzTsq8M