DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[srbhkshk]

Guessing for the rest of Indian batsman -

Tendulkar - 4
Gavsakar - 9
Kohli - 19
Dravid - 20

 

[sunilz]

How do you not get that it's completely irrelevant?

India can beat Aus at home without Kumble. But Aus can't beat India at home without McGrath. All you have proved that AUS ATG wasn't good enough and was completely dependent on McGrath

 

[Burgey]

I think we have got a problem here.

One of us certainly does.

But now you’re shifting the goal posts. There’s a thousand people who’ve said GC picked and chose his tours. This isn’t a stunning sunilz revelation, as much as you may wish it was.

He toured there 73, did a WSC tour then Australia didn’t tour again until he had retired. I mean, this is not the same thing as saying “he didn’t play Marshall so ner ner” when the bloke wasn’t picked ffs. Which is what you said previously.

You could point out him missing tours to other countries rather than the WI tbh. But that would require a degree of accuracy, so it won’t happen. AFAIK he didn’t decline to tour WI during his time playing.

A non-WSC Australia team may have toured there between 77-79 (CBF looking but I think they did) but he was banned from playing on that tour. And he went there with WSC anyway. So I dunno, I just think you’re barking up the wrong tree in this instance.

 

[TheJediBrah]

India can beat Aus at home without Kumble. But Aus can't beat India at home without McGrath. All you have proved that AUS ATG wasn't good enough and was completely dependent on McGrath

Pretty sure Aus have beaten India at home without McGrath before m8. And if bringing up irrelevant comparisons is how you want to argue this then I could bring up all kinds of bull**** facts

 

[sunilz]

One of us certainly does.

But now you’re shifting the goal posts. There’s a thousand people who’ve said GC picked and chose his tours. This isn’t a stunning sunilz revelation, as much as you may wish it was.

He toured there 73, did a WSC tour then Australia didn’t tour again until he had retired. I mean, this is not the same thing as saying “he didn’t play Marshall so ner ner” when the bloke wasn’t picked ffs. Which is what you said previously.

You could point out him missing tours to other countries rather than the WI tbh. But that would require a degree of accuracy, so it won’t happen. AFAIK he didn’t decline to tour WI during his time playing.

A non-WSC Australia team may have toured there between 77-79 (CBF looking but I think they did) but he was banned from playing on that tour. And he went there with WSC anyway. So I dunno, I just think you’re barking up the wrong tree in this instance.

Since both of us agree that he doesn't belong to top tier ATG of Tendulkar, Lara and Smith let's end the discussion here. Many people must be getting irritated of this conversation. Don't want one of us to get banned before New Year. Peace.

 

[Burgey]

(y)

 

[sunilz]

Pretty sure Aus have beaten India at home without McGrath before m8. And if bringing up irrelevant comparisons is how you want to argue this then I could bring up all kinds of bull**** facts

And Aus have beaten many teams even without McGrath during 1995-2007. So if you think India drew series in 2003 only because McGrath didn't play then you are plain ignorant.

 

[stephen]

And Aus have beaten many teams even without McGrath during 1995-2007. So if you think India drew series in 2003 only because McGrath didn't play then you are plain ignorant.

You don't know when to let a point go do you? Literally nobody here cared about Aus vs India 2002/03 in this thread and you bring it up to attack me and keep debating even though nobody still cares.

And it's not like anyone is debating that McGrath was the heart and soul of the Australian pace attack during his tenure either. Any point made about the lack of McGrath in that series is more a criticism of Australia at the time and an acceptance that that was a bloody good Indian side.

But all of those odd completely irrelevant to Chappell, who has some legitimate holes in his record, none of which are the ones you are pointing out.

Unless you are saying he shouldn't have played WSC and should have magically gotten Marshall selected to play against him.

 

[TheJediBrah]

And Aus have beaten many teams even without McGrath during 1995-2007. So if you think India drew series in 2003 only because McGrath didn't play then you are plain ignorant.

That doesn't make any sense. There is no logic in what you're saying whatsoever.

 

[StephenZA]

It is amazing how an interesting thread can turn to ****...

Greg Chappell lower than I would have expected. Great player.

 

[Dan]

oh ffs cut it out all of you.

 

[Days of Grace]

Let's get this back on track.

No.21

AB de Villiers (South Africa) 817

Quality Points: 748
Career Points: 69

Career/Runs: 2004-2018, 8765 (rank 24)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 48.71 (50.66) 44.12 (45.89) 50.32 (54.52) (rank 24)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2010-2014): 67.78 58.29 52.62 (rank 15)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 51.82 45.50 47.33 (rank 18)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.65 43.20 50.81 (rank 43)

Another recently-retired batsman. South African cricket fans will say that he is the real AB. But for many of them, de Villiers walked away from the game too early at age 34. He started as an opening batsman but only averaged 33.95 (35.55) in his first 50 innings and from 2007 onwards batted in the middle order, frequently as a wicketkeeper-batsman. He was outstanding in this role, averaging an unadjusted 57.41 from 24 matches. He also had as many gears as it was possible for a test batsman to have, from a grinding 33 off 220 balls in Adelaide to secure a draw in an eventual series win to an unbeaten 126 off 146 against the same opponents in his last series. By then he was exhausted by the never-ending international circuit but the top-ranked AB on this list left us wondering how many more runs he could have scored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntutI8sqaA

 

[h_hurricane]

Let's get this back on track.

No.21

AB de Villiers (South Africa) 817

Quality Points: 748
Career Points: 69

Career/Runs: 2004-2018, 8765 (rank 24)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 48.71 (50.66) 44.12 (45.89) 50.32 (54.52) (rank 24)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2010-2014): 67.78 58.29 52.62 (rank 15)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 51.82 45.50 47.33 (rank 18)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.65 43.20 50.81 (rank 43)

Another recently-retired batsman. South African cricket fans will say that he is the real AB. But for many of them, de Villiers walked away from the game too early at age 34. He started as an opening batsman but only averaged 33.95 (35.55) in his first 50 innings and from 2007 onwards batted in the middle order, frequently as a wicketkeeper-batsman. He was outstanding in this role, averaging an unadjusted 57.41 from 24 matches. He also had as many gears as it was possible for a test batsman to have, from a grinding 33 off 220 balls in Adelaide to secure a draw in an eventual series win to an unbeaten 126 off 146 against the same opponents in his last series. By then he was exhausted by the never-ending international circuit but the top-ranked AB on this list left us wondering how many more runs he could have scored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntutI8sqaA

The One True AB..

 

[stephen]

De Villiers really cemented his place as a test match great with the 33(20000000) knock. Was utterly impossible to dislodge and ultimately won South Africa the series. A true champion, even if his ODI exploits overshadowed his test match performances.

He really did up his game against Australia didn't he? One of the few batsmen I've genuinely feared on a tour here.

Still nowhere near as impactful as TOTAB but a good servant of South African cricket.

 

[Migara]

Border and Chappell both have e's in their name so I rate them higher than Gavaskar

Finally comes down to blabbering.

 

[Migara]

@DoG, where does Dean Jones rated?

 

[Migara]

Yeah at Tests I think that's a slight hole (though he did dominate against an attack containing at least two of those in WSC), but sunilz is arguing it so poorly it's hard to give him much credit for it.

Super tests are not Tests. Period.

 

[Burgey]

Imagine downhill skiing your way to 21st place all time. My Lordy.

 

[OverratedSanity]

AB's last year added greatly to his legacy. Screwed over both India and Australia in those series. Shame he didn't play more.

 

[Burgey]

It really is. In seriousness, was an enormous player for SA. They needed him to play longer/ more