DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[ankitj]

Nourse has highest quality points of all batsmen to appear so far and that too by considerable margin. 762 vs. 731 for Flower and MoYo

 

[Flametree]

I meant against quality opposition

South Africa played only Australia, England and NZ in that period, and not very often against NZ, so I'd expect a big majority of Nourse's tests to be against quality opposition.

 

[Logan]

How is DoG calculating quality of opposition?

I assume Bradman will be number one in that category since he played 70% of his Tests against England.

 

[OverratedSanity]

South Africa played only Australia, England and NZ in that period, and not very often against NZ, so I'd expect a big majority of Nourse's tests to be against quality opposition.

How is DoG calculating quality of opposition?

I assume Bradman will be number one in that category since he played 70% of his Tests against England.

IIRC it's a team rating that updates after every test. With so few teams around back I reckon a few losses in a row could severely affect a team's rating because they didn't have as much weak/mid tier opponents to beat up and and get that rating high again. This is just guesswork but it's quite possible that England could've gone through a significant period during the 40s being rated as a non quality opposition since they were being dominated in the Ashes by australia. It could actually have worked to nourse's detriment since he had some big series against England during the exact period where they were losing the Ashes heavily and thus the runs might not have counted as quality opposition.

 

[Coronis]

How is DoG calculating quality of opposition?

I assume Bradman will be number one in that category since he played 70% of his Tests against England.

I mean he’s gonna be number one in every category except career isn’t he?

 

[Days of Grace]

IIRC it's a team rating that updates after every test. With so few teams around back I reckon a few losses in a row could severely affect a team's rating because they didn't have as much weak/mid tier opponents to beat up and and get that rating high again. This is just guesswork but it's quite possible that England could've gone through a significant period during the 40s being rated as a non quality opposition since they were being dominated in the Ashes by australia. It could actually have worked to nourse's detriment since he had some big series against England during the exact period where they were losing the Ashes heavily and thus the runs might not have counted as quality opposition.

This is correct. After getting hammered by Australia in 1948 and 1950/51, England were no longer quality opposition when they faced South Africa in 1948/49 and 1951.

For reference, I am attaching my team ratings spreadsheet again.

 

[marc71178]

Very pleased to see Nourse getting ranked in top 30. True legend. Once score a double hundred with a broken hand.

Most people use a bat

 

[Logan]

I mean he’s gonna be number one in every category except career isn’t he?

It will be a huge surprise if he isn’t.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.28

Clyde Walcott (West Indies) 806

Quality Points: 768
Career Points: 38

Career/Runs: 1948-1960, 3798 (rank 155)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 53.06 (56.68) 48.05 (51.32) 60.79 (53.05) (rank 9)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1948-1957): 61.69 56.76 61.54 (rank 30)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 37.29 34.96 55.82 (rank 143)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 48.73 44.49 63.74 (rank 27)

The second of the three W's to appear, Clyde Walcott was a wicketkeeper batsman in his early days as an international player. There is not much documentation on how good he was with the gloves, but there can be no doubt that as a batsman he was pure class. He ranks in the top 10 in overall stats and the only hole in his resume is a lackluster record outside of the Caribbean. He most notable achievement was his 827 runs against the touring Australians in 1955, a series in which his team lost 0-3. At the conclusion of the home series against Pakistan in 1958 his average stood at 54.26 (58.03), very similar to his great contemporary Everton Weekes. However, an ill-fated return for two matches against England in 1960 dropped him from 23rd down to 28th in this countdown.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Good position for Walcott.

I haven't heard much about his glovework as well. The stories I have heard were about Derek Murray and Jeff Dujon

 

[honestbharani]

He was always my favorite of the Ws. Just always felt he will the one I would have most enjoyed watching, either if they were playing now or if I was around back then.

 

[h_hurricane]

Walcott is my favorite W as well. Probably the most under-rated among the three. A highly entertaining batsman based on whatever I have heard. Has a striking similarity with a right handed Shimron Hetmyer in this pic.

 

[srbhkshk]

No.28

The wicketkeeper is shocked out of his mind, quality Picture.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Walcott is my favorite W as well. Probably the most under-rated among the three. A highly entertaining batsman based on whatever I have heard. Has a striking similarity with a right handed Shimron Hetmyer in this pic.

 

[Slifer]

No.28

Clyde Walcott (West Indies) 806

Quality Points: 768
Career Points: 38

Career/Runs: 1948-1960, 3798 (rank 155)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 53.06 (56.68) 48.05 (51.32) 60.79 (53.05) (rank 9)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1948-1957): 61.69 56.76 61.54 (rank 30)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 37.29 34.96 55.82 (rank 143)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 48.73 44.49 63.74 (rank 27)

The second of the three W's to appear, Clyde Walcott was a wicketkeeper batsman in his early days as an international player. There is not much documentation on how good he was with the gloves, but there can be no doubt that as a batsman he was pure class. He ranks in the top 10 in overall stats and the only hole in his resume is a lackluster record outside of the Caribbean. He most notable achievement was his 827 runs against the touring Australians in 1955, a series in which his team lost 0-3. At the conclusion of the home series against Pakistan in 1958 his average stood at 54.26 (58.03), very similar to his great contemporary Everton Weekes. However, an ill-fated return for two matches against England in 1960 dropped him from 23rd down to 28th in this countdown.

Out of curiosity but where does Conrad Hunte rate in your list??

 

[Migara]

One that I firmly disagree with being that high. Also Sehwag over Hayden is another I don't agree with.

Still, it's mostly turned out roughly how one would expect.

Mahela was a beast on Indian tracks. That may be holding positive for him, because not many could score on them.

 

[stephen]

Mahela was a beast on Indian tracks. That may be holding positive for him, because not many could score on them.

He was a very good batsmen but was always a very big step down from Sangakkara. Being ranked 30 surprised me, I would have thought he was somewhere down nearer to 50.

 

[ImpatientLime]

some wok smuggling going on there

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

some wok smuggling going on there

Idk about that

 

[Days of Grace]

He was a very good batsmen but was always a very big step down from Sangakkara. Being ranked 30 surprised me, I would have thought he was somewhere down nearer to 50.

Similar to Jimmy Anderson on the bowler's list? Poor non-home record compensated by a massive amount of career points.