Teja.
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He killed it again in the 6 match 1983/84 series in India though when all the WI bowlers averaged low 20s.
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DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread
- Thread starter Days of Grace
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Slifer
International Captain
Scored 500 runs at around 50 which is very good but far from killing it. Still I'll give him credit for doing well vs a rampaging Marshall and Holding.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
It's killing it considering a 39 average is gigantic...
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
haha yeah.. Border is amazing and pretty much the sole reason Australia became anything close to good again in cricket after their 80s horrors but man is he over rated here, especially as a batsman.
Slifer
International Captain
Border's average vs the WI only dropped below 40 in the 90s. Even so I'd still say he did very well vs them overall. And Gavaskar averaging 50 over 6 tests in India is good not gigantic; I have no idea why that term was even used to begin with. What Border did on the '84 tour to the WI, now that was "gigantic" ?
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Yeah, the discussion would not have gone to this length if it was mentioned that Border had a decent record against WI which is a fair enough statement.
If this were true, he would be severely underrated, except as a bat.
But its not true. Aus had never had a protracted period of not being a top side in 100 years prior to border. Their 80s mediocrity was always going to end, irrespective of who captained them through that patch.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I just said over rated. He is a very very good batsman and an excellent leader who led them through ttough times, invested in the right players and reaped the rewards at the back end of his career as a captain. He was an excellent batsman but again, over rated here by a few.
Slifer
International Captain
But with all due respect, doesn't compare to Border's odyssey to the WI in 1984.
Burgey
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Goochie was like a fine wine, seemed to get better with age, if anything. Alderman made him a complete spud in 89, yet he came back from that and seemed to get better, if anything, Crazy-good player
Will always love him for his 1989 answering machine message - "I'm out - probably lbw bowled Terry Alderman, but if you'd like to leave a message..."
Will always love him for his 1989 answering machine message - "I'm out - probably lbw bowled Terry Alderman, but if you'd like to leave a message..."
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Burgey
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I don't like to brag (well, I do but anyway), however, I believe I have already written the definitive TOTAB tribute for this very website.
He wasn't a "very very good batsman", he was a great batsman. You don't make 11,000 test runs at over 50 in that era (56 away from home) and just be "very good." His away average is higher than Tendulkar's ffs, and that includes his last three tests in SA when he was a thousand and averaged 38.
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Days of Grace
International Captain
No.46
Neil Harvey (Australia) 755
Quality Points: 699
Career Points: 56
Career/Runs: 1948-1963, 6149 (rank 61)
Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.36 (48.41) 42.97 (44.88) 57.54 (49.61) (rank 38)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1949-1954): 56.45 51.93 63.06 (rank 48)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 48.53 44.43 55.24 (rank 26)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 35.80 33.45 53.91 (rank 196)
The best batsman of Australia's post-war period, the general feeling may be that Neil Harvey should be higher up in this list. What counts against him is that in his youth he plundered runs against the English, Indian and South African teams of the late 1940s, who were by no means quality opposition. In fact, the first time he faced quality opposition (according to my team ratings) was against England in 1953. Up until that point, he had averaged an adjusted 59.60 (65.30) from his first 24 matches. From the 1953 Ashes until the end of his career, he averaged 40.91 (41.48), including only 38.39 (36.94) against England.
Neil Harvey (Australia) 755
Quality Points: 699
Career Points: 56
Career/Runs: 1948-1963, 6149 (rank 61)
Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.36 (48.41) 42.97 (44.88) 57.54 (49.61) (rank 38)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1949-1954): 56.45 51.93 63.06 (rank 48)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 48.53 44.43 55.24 (rank 26)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 35.80 33.45 53.91 (rank 196)
The best batsman of Australia's post-war period, the general feeling may be that Neil Harvey should be higher up in this list. What counts against him is that in his youth he plundered runs against the English, Indian and South African teams of the late 1940s, who were by no means quality opposition. In fact, the first time he faced quality opposition (according to my team ratings) was against England in 1953. Up until that point, he had averaged an adjusted 59.60 (65.30) from his first 24 matches. From the 1953 Ashes until the end of his career, he averaged 40.91 (41.48), including only 38.39 (36.94) against England.
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Days of Grace
International Captain
No.45
Denis Compton (England) 756
Quality Points: 695
Career Points: 61
Career/Runs: 1937-1957, 5807 (rank 43)
Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 47.90 (50.06) 42.42 (44.33) 48.19 (41.28) (rank 42)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1939-1949): 61.37 52.78 50.85 (rank 39)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 35.93 32.67 41.20 (rank 213)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.22 39.62 47.41 (rank 59)
It's very interesting that Harvey and Compton are ranked together here. Both were seen as the stars of their respective countries' batting orders following the Second World War, both peaked early and gave occasional glimpses of genius thereafter. Compton can feel especially hard done by since his peak period coincided with the war and he injured his knee not long after hostilities on the cricket field resumed. His ranking suffers from a low away average but he usually turned up against Australia, proving the one obstacle to the invincibles of 1948 and hitting the winning runs to regain the Ashes in 1953.
Denis Compton (England) 756
Quality Points: 695
Career Points: 61
Career/Runs: 1937-1957, 5807 (rank 43)
Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 47.90 (50.06) 42.42 (44.33) 48.19 (41.28) (rank 42)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1939-1949): 61.37 52.78 50.85 (rank 39)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 35.93 32.67 41.20 (rank 213)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.22 39.62 47.41 (rank 59)
It's very interesting that Harvey and Compton are ranked together here. Both were seen as the stars of their respective countries' batting orders following the Second World War, both peaked early and gave occasional glimpses of genius thereafter. Compton can feel especially hard done by since his peak period coincided with the war and he injured his knee not long after hostilities on the cricket field resumed. His ranking suffers from a low away average but he usually turned up against Australia, proving the one obstacle to the invincibles of 1948 and hitting the winning runs to regain the Ashes in 1953.
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Starfighter
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That's a poor away record. Average of 7.6 in the 50/51 Ashes would contribute.