*Official* Bangladesh in India 2019

[OverratedSanity]

They're saying he should be back for the NZ tour

 

[srbhkshk]

They have already spotted an issue with his bowling, specifically his pace. He is so slow through the air and off the pitch that batsmen can easily adjust even if they are done in length turn or dip and flight. With tailenders, its tougher to adjust but most test class batsmen will manage without getting out if given so much time. And he is young enough to allow work on such things. I don't see any hurry to blood him into the test side and risk him being another Karn Sharma. Just being a wrist spinner does not make you good as many around the world have figured out. As long as Ashwin and Jadeja continue to be better test match bowlers (and they easily are), they should be picked ahead of him. He can play as the third spinner whenever the chance arises.

They are not "easily" better test match bowlers outside of India, in fact they have been trash (especially Ashwin - Jadeja just hasn't got that many opportunities) and lead to India losing plenty of matches in SENA which they should have won. The only reason to not play Kuldeep over them is that they are better batsman, not because of any bowling qualities.

 

[honestbharani]

Interesting definition of "Trash". Ashwin was among our better bowlers (best after Bhuvi) in the two tests he played in RSA and was only dropped for the third to play an all seam attack. He was very very good in the first three tests in England before he suffered the injury. And he was the main reason we won the Adelaide test and was the best spinner in view at least for me in that test before he again got injured. If you want to dig up even earlier stats, be my guest but it has been obvious he was the better test match spinner across all these games and Kuldeep while showing promise with getting tailenders out is not gonna cut it against actual batting line ups. As I said, even Shastri has changed his tune and there is reason behind it. Jadeja has had a lot of opportunities just like Ashwin and has always been found wanting when playing as the main spinner. To me, they both deserve the chance to play together as part of a 5 man attack before any judgement can be passed. Its no secret Kuldeep suddenly was good when he had much more support from a gun pace attack, something neither Ash or Jaddu actually had before 2018.

And their batting is always a bonus. Well, at least Ashwin's. Jaddu may well play as the allrounder in NZ. And to me, yes, they are "Easily" better test match bowlers than Kuldeep. It is as much based on how they bowl as it is on the numbers.

 

[Burgey]

They're saying he should be back for the NZ tour

Good to hear.

 

[vcs]

We haven't missed him at all but Bumrah's display in the WI was fast bowling porn.

I want moar.

 

[CricAddict]

We haven't missed him at all but Bumrah's display in the WI was fast bowling porn.

I want moar.

Yeah. Even if not fit by the NZ tour, it will be great if he is fit and raring to go in the Aus tour.

 

[vcs]

Is Kuldeep playing FC cricket this season? How is he doing?

 

[Daemon]

Interesting definition of "Trash". Ashwin was among our better bowlers (best after Bhuvi) in the two tests he played in RSA and was only dropped for the third to play an all seam attack. He was very very good in the first three tests in England before he suffered the injury. And he was the main reason we won the Adelaide test and was the best spinner in view at least for me in that test before he again got injured. If you want to dig up even earlier stats, be my guest but it has been obvious he was the better test match spinner across all these games and Kuldeep while showing promise with getting tailenders out is not gonna cut it against actual batting line ups. As I said, even Shastri has changed his tune and there is reason behind it. Jadeja has had a lot of opportunities just like Ashwin and has always been found wanting when playing as the main spinner. To me, they both deserve the chance to play together as part of a 5 man attack before any judgement can be passed. Its no secret Kuldeep suddenly was good when he had much more support from a gun pace attack, something neither Ash or Jaddu actually had before 2018.

And their batting is always a bonus. Well, at least Ashwin's. Jaddu may well play as the allrounder in NZ. And to me, yes, they are "Easily" better test match bowlers than Kuldeep. It is as much based on how they bowl as it is on the numbers.

This is not true? He was excellent in the first Test of both the Australian and English tours but I don't recall him being any good in the Lords drubbing (neither was Kuldeep) or the 3rd and 4th tests either.

Overall though he definitely had a much better overseas cycle than the previous ones which could've been even better if not for injury.

 

[OverratedSanity]

This is not true? He was excellent in the first Test of both the Australian and English tours but I don't recall him being any good in the Lords drubbing (neither was Kuldeep) or the 3rd and 4th tests either.

Overall though he definitely had a much better overseas cycle than the previous ones which could've been even better if not for injury.

Ashwin was piss poor in the second sa test too. Bowled well first innings then stunk out the joint in the 2nd when it was spinning.

Plus his injury was probably contributed by him being fat and breaking down after bowling that marathon spell ar Adelaide, so can't have much sympathy.

 

[vcs]

Ashwin was piss poor in the second sa test too. Bowled well first innings then stunk out the joint in the 2nd when it was spinning.

Plus his injury was probably contributed by him being fat and breaking down after bowling that marathon spell ar Adelaide, so can't have much sympathy.

Definitely true about the 2nd innings at Centurion. We were right back in the game when we had them 2 down for F.A.

 

[OverratedSanity]

That's what was most frustrating about Ashwin this overseas leg. He had one game on every tour where he clearly showed he has what it takes to be a good bowler in those conditions. Especially the first test in England and at Adelaide, he was basically the perfect overseas finger spinner. But then he has some genuine shockers too in conditions that should suit him. Very strange stuff and his inconsistency was one of the biggest reasons India came away with so many losses.

 

[vcs]

That's what was most frustrating about Ashwin this overseas leg. He had one game on every tour where he clearly showed he has what it takes to be a good bowler in those conditions. Especially the first test in England and at Adelaide, he was basically the perfect overseas finger spinner. But then he has some genuine shockers too in conditions that should suit him. Very strange stuff and his inconsistency was one of the biggest reasons India came away with so many losses.

That and our inability to chase moderate 4th innings targets. We had 5 opportunities to chase totals between 190-300 and failed on every occasion.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Oh the batting was the biggest issue, no question.

I'd go :

1) Rubbish batting
2) Occasional braindead selections
3) Ashwin being crap when he could've won us the game

In that order

 

[harsh.ag]

Almost all of Ashwin's inconsistency comes from his fitness issues.

 

[Daemon]

Almost all of Ashwin's inconsistency comes from his fitness issues.

There’s a bit of galaxy brain issues there as well imo.

Still, I think he’s a lot better now that he’s not playing LOIs

 

[Shri]

not convinced that bumrah should play in nz

stress fractures don't heal that quick in any of the cases that i have seen in sports

should at least let him skip the ipl

if money is what he is worried about the bcci could do a lot worse than pay him the same amount not to play out of pocket

 

[honestbharani]

This is not true? He was excellent in the first Test of both the Australian and English tours but I don't recall him being any good in the Lords drubbing (neither was Kuldeep) or the 3rd and 4th tests either.

Overall though he definitely had a much better overseas cycle than the previous ones which could've been even better if not for injury.

He was fine in Lords as he at least kept the runs down and was very good in the first dig in the 4th test. 3rd test too he was good and kept things tight for the fast bowlers. Good is relative term. I mean he was much better than he was before, especially compared to his performances in Aus, which was the previous tough overseas assignment he had back in 2014. And his performances in Oz have steadily improved from 2011 to 2014 to the one test in 2018. AS I said, its unfortunate that he was injured but he seems to have put that behind him now and is much fitter,, so I see absolutely no reason why he is not our #1 spinner anymore.

 

[honestbharani]

Ashwin was piss poor in the second sa test too. Bowled well first innings then stunk out the joint in the 2nd when it was spinning.

Plus his injury was probably contributed by him being fat and breaking down after bowling that marathon spell ar Adelaide, so can't have much sympathy.

Lol it shows your bias more than anything. He was very good in the 2nd test 2nd innings but was better in the first innings, but that happens on a pitch flattening out. And he has clearly said it was the change in his workloads from 2017 and the fits and starts of his cricket that led to the injuries. He has since then played the full IPL as well as multiple county matches (and done well in them) bowling lots of overs and basically ensuring his bowling workload stays high inspite of not playing white ball international cricket. As I said, there is absolutely zero reason to not consider him our #1 spinner aside from petty bias.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Think you should probably read the posts where i said ashwin should be picked ahead of jadeja and kuldeep before accusing me of petty bias.

But no, i donot think he was very good in the 2nd innings at centurion. In fact, I think his inconsistent and impatient lengths on a pitch offering assistance is what ballooned the target beyond a manageable one. He was even worse at southampton though.

 

[srbhkshk]

Ashwin was the guy to win us the fourth test in England and keep the series alive, he failed miserably on a track where Moeen Ali ran through us.