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*Official* England in New Zealand 2019

Flem274*

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if boult is out for 6 weeks then the trio is obvious with henry and then tickner as back up. ticker's cut his fc record in half in 2 years (srsly he averaged 60) and is well suited to flat bouncy decks. jamieson maybe as well but not sure we want 2 125-130kph bowlers in the squad, even if he is a giant.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Think it's pretty simple, really. The SL pitches were rank turners and as much a lottery as most of the wickets England dish out at home. Pitches where staying in does not always mean more than scoring fast as you can get out any ball, really. So the pace of those games seems to suit this side under Root. The moment there is grinding involved, they seem to struggle. Especially with the ball.
This England side seems to have no real endurance or staying power. A lot of talent, but there seems to be a lack of true mental strength which results in consistency in method and consistency in output; this England side seem to specialise in really standing up as a sort of "**** you" to critics but really seems limp and placid a lot of the other time. They certainly can't be relied upon to bring full intensity to a Test match for three consecutive days, which is what you need in most conditions that aren't England since about 2010.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
if boult is out for 6 weeks then the trio is obvious with henry and then tickner as back up. ticker's cut his fc record in half in 2 years (srsly he averaged 60) and is well suited to flat bouncy decks. jamieson maybe as well but not sure we want 2 125-130kph bowlers in the squad, even if he is a giant.
Kuggs?
 

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
Watched the highlights and yes there were many good performances but really chuffed for Santner. I suppose this is the making of Santner the all rounder. He's still quite young and likely 10 years of international cricket in him. Probably even a captaincy material in future.
 

D/L

U19 Captain
Only one team played test cricket the way it should be played. Well done, New Zealand.

We need a big change of attitude for Hamilton but I reckon there's not enough time for that.
 

Burgey

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Only one team played test cricket the way it should be played. Well done, New Zealand.

We need a big change of personnel and captain for Hamilton but I reckon there's not enough time for that.
Probably not
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Alec Stewart on The Cricket Debate seems to have a real-chip on his shoulder. Basically saying that other than Williamson, what NZ player would get in the England XI??? I mean, c'mon!!!
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
good kuggs would be good, bad kuggs would be really really bad
Yeah I'd take that purely on the basis that there's more upside than could possibly be offered by Henry as a fifth-string quick on Australian decks. Plus if you leave Santner out - which isn't unreasonable given the record of touring finger spinners in Aus and the likelihood that CdG h4x won't work over here - he provides some #engineroom points over Southee @ 8.

I'm absolutely running that last XI for the first Test, give or take a Ferguson, but realistically I don't hold out much hope for the current team balance working out quite as well over this side of the ditch.
 
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D/L

U19 Captain
Alec Stewart on The Cricket Debate seems to have a real-chip on his shoulder. Basically saying that other than Williamson, what NZ player would get in the England XI??? I mean, c'mon!!!
Based on our last performance, I'd say about 10 others would.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Very disappointing effort from England but the same deficiencies evident in this Test that have been present for quite some time. Our batsmen have an inability to bat long and build a total somewhere near what would have been a good score on this pitch in the face of some impressively disciplined bowling.

As for our bowlers, I think we still need to understand how to best utilise Archer's qualities, we need to learn from how New Zealand went about bowling in these conditions, this isn't an overnight job and I'm a huge admirer of Chris Silverwood and I think for now we're going to have to remain patient and trust Silverwood to work on our most obvious areas of weakness. It's a tough job when it doesn't seem like we have the ready-made players to correct our issues right now and so I can understand them investing in players like Sibley and Pope and I suppose Curran to some extent.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Alec Stewart on The Cricket Debate seems to have a real-chip on his shoulder. Basically saying that other than Williamson, what NZ player would get in the England XI??? I mean, c'mon!!!
Based on our last performance, I'd say about 10 others would.
They're probably not as flashy or don't have as big a reputation as most of our players, but they're certainly more effective. Not just based on the last Test but I'm sure the likes of Santner and Watling would find a way in, underrated cricketers but what we'd give for a Watling coming in following an inevitable top order collapse and steadying the ship, even it some would consider it done in an 'ugly' fashion. Paul Collingwood used to do a similar role for England and he's on the coaching staff now, he will be only too aware of the value of a gritty batsman down in the middle order.

You could also make strong cases for Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Ross Taylor, and Colin de Grandhomme. On the bowling front, Boult would add some lovely variety, would have him over Curran any day!
 
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vcs

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I think England will have to decide on Root's future as captain by the end of this series. Problem is, there are no obvious candidates to take over. I wouldn't want to give it to Stokes for fear of overburdening him. Buttler/Bairstow haven't secured their spots. Rory Burns looks like the only available option.
 

honestbharani

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They're probably not as flashy or don't have as big a reputation as most of our players, but they're certainly more effective. Not just based on the last Test but I'm sure the likes of Santner and Watling would find a way in, underrated cricketers but what we'd give for a Watling coming in following an inevitable top order collapse and steadying the ship, even it some would consider it done in an 'ugly' fashion. Paul Collingwood used to do a similar role for England and he's on the coaching staff now, he will be only too aware of the value of a gritty batsman down in the middle order.

You could also make strong cases for Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Ross Taylor, and Colin de Grandhomme. On the bowling front, Boult would add some lovely variety, would have him over Curran any day!

Don't you have a Ben Foakes who is supposed to do what Watling did? At least to some extent?
 

Moss

International Captain
Alec Stewart on The Cricket Debate seems to have a real-chip on his shoulder. Basically saying that other than Williamson, what NZ player would get in the England XI??? I mean, c'mon!!!
Strange he wouldn't automatically say Watling, converted keeper batsman averaging 40 and (mostly) getting better with age.

Most of NZ's XI from this game have a solid body of work to their name, so if the defeat came as such a shock Sky can't be doing their homework too well.
 

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