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Top 10 ODI batsmen since the 90s

trundler

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In any given context, you can apply imperfect/incorrect logic and coincentally achieve 100% correct results/arrive at a correct conclusion, can't you?

I appreciate that I am not helping bring the discussion back on track here
I suppose you're right. I've definitely seen statistical analyses where an arbitrary measure has been used to rank players but the usual suspects have still come out on top. Pretty sure I've done something similar on a math exam. Remembered the answer and fudged up trying to work backwards to get it. :laugh:
 
Sarwan had a great run in the early 00s

Chanderpaul was special in the format at that time as well. Him taking Daryll Tuffey for consecutive boundaries to close off an ODI is a memory still with me.
 

Red

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Small sample size.

Ankitj is completely correct in his reasoning/ simulation here.

Playing ODIs in the 90s was very different to playing today. Middle order batsmen who got set would have to protect their wicket, particularly at night because the ball would be very hard to see for new batsmen due to discoloration. Having a high proportion of not outs was actually really good in that regard (provided you scored enough to win).
You can rationalise it any way you want. The truth is, that in ODIs, runs per innings is a MUCH better average to measure a batsman's worth than runs per dismissal.
 

stephen

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You can rationalise it any way you want. The truth is, that in ODIs, runs per innings is a MUCH better average to measure a batsman's worth than runs per dismissal.
Actually I'm pretty sure it's you who is rationalizing your dislike of Bevan over anything else.
 

Daemon

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Bevan is fast becoming the new Murali thanks to Stephen.Threads just go down the toilet when he’s mentioned. Just accept he was merely ok and be done with it.
 

TheJediBrah

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You can rationalise it any way you want. The truth is, that in ODIs, runs per innings is a MUCH better average to measure a batsman's worth than runs per dismissal.
not at all. It's too heavily dependant on a batsman's role and batting position. This logic would dictate that any batsman that bats in the top 3 is automatically worth more than one that bats lower in the order (and hence likely to have lower runs per innings and more not outs).

Which in practice is probably true these days, but more so just because most teams put their best batsmen in the top 3. It definitely wasn't true for Australia and Bevan.
 

stephen

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Bevan is fast becoming the new Murali thanks to Stephen.Threads just go down the toilet when he’s mentioned. Just accept he was merely ok and be done with it.
What if people started coming on here and rationalizing away Viv's record for arbitrary reasons? Wouldn't those people need correction.

Besides, if we can't talk **** about cricketers of yesteryear, what is the point of being on a cricket forum.
 

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
One more thing I am realizing is that as long as it is about Bevan, the thread will always be 'Not Out'.
 

mr_mister

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Viv was ATG for a few years than ATVG with lots of swagger and style for the rest of his career
 

Daemon

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What if people started coming on here and rationalizing away Viv's record for arbitrary reasons? Wouldn't those people need correction.

Besides, if we can't talk **** about cricketers of yesteryear, what is the point of being on a cricket forum.
Can't help them. Just laugh and mock imo.
 

ankitj

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Well, my logic is not perfect. But to me it almost proves my actual point that not outs inflate the average. Because there is a world of difference between 20 and 53.

I guess, we can just agree to disagree at this point.
There is nothing to agree to disagree here. It's not a matter of opinion. It is matter of math and logic where you can only be right or wrong. What you are missing here is that if Bevan was destined to score only 62 runs on average in innings that he stayed not out in, he wouldn't have been not out in many of them. Remaining not out in those innings is caused by the fact that he was destined to score on average much more than 62 in those innings (due to opposition attack, batting condition, form or luck). How much more? Look at his career batting average for a clue.
 

Daemon

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Bevan was nailed on for ~100 in all the innings he didn't get to complete, bringing his total century count to a cool 73.
 

Migara

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Nah, Dilshan was a solid batsman. But there was no point in time where you could call him a top 5 in the world.

Sehwas was a top 5 in the 2000s, Anwar in the early to mid 90s and Jayasuriya in the mid 90s.
Shewag cannot even tie Dilshan's laces in ODIs, let it be batsman or the complete package.
 

venkyrenga

U19 12th Man
There is nothing to agree to disagree here. It's not a matter of opinion. It is matter of math and logic where you can only be right or wrong. What you are missing here is that if Bevan was destined to score only 62 runs on average in innings that he stayed not out in, he wouldn't have been not out in many of them. Remaining not out in those innings is caused by the fact that he was destined to score on average much more than 62 in those innings (due to opposition attack, batting condition, form or luck). How much more? Look at his career batting average for a clue.
I am right then. There is no other reasonable conclusion.

I choose to not continue this further. Because I have said everything that needed to said and not willing to repeat anymore.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
Sachin
Kohli
Dhoni
Abdv
Ponting
Lara
Gilchrist
Rohit
Amla
Hayden

Not sure who to drop for Bevan, who deserves to be in there too.
 

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