1st Semi Final - India v New Zealand

[Spikey]

Big fan of ODers being played over 2 days

 

[straw man]

Big fan of ODers being played over 2 days

TDers?

 

[straw man]

Hopefully we get a full game. I’d hate for the DL system to play a role. DL system is about as fair as you can make it, but obviously doesn’t replace actually playing the game. I think if it’s more overcast, it would help NZ. But India have also had a nights rest instead of fielding all day before batting so I’m sure that helps too. I think in the end, it all probably evens out.

This is all I want too - fifty overs each and may the best team win.

 

[ankitj]

This can't be forgotten as a factor. While obviously it's a much bigger factor in Tests where you can field for 100-150 overs and then have to come out and bat straight away, it's still a factor, especially if you're top order batsmen have been intense in the field.

They do this hundreds of times in their career. I don't know if that is really a factor.

 

[Greenlite]

Nah, NZ's batting was better across the board in 2015. Baz consistently giving us blazing starts. Guptill helping to build scores. KW and Ross doing their thing. Elliot providing the perfect number 5 and Corey providing left handed hitting power at 6.

I love them both but to be fair Kane cracked under pressure last time, apart from a good fifty in the first game vs SL and a match saving glorified cameo against AUS in AKL, he couldn't get passed 20 I think in all 3 knock out games, he didn't stand up in the semi nor the final when we really needed his anchoring skills shown earlier in the summer that year. Now's a different story though, he's living up to steady the ship reputation every game

Rosco was hitting back to back centuries before the last CW, then had a break, came back like he was playing with one leg and just grinded out 40s-50s each game it was painful to watch but he was doing the job kind of, slow but not getting out. I remember the mainstream media wanted him gone for Munro, lol, and posters here were like F the media and talk back idiots.

Ronchi was basically the Guppy of this CW. Corey was awesome, Elliot legendary, Baz incredible, Guppy fired big at times.

This year Rosco looks much more fluent but is frustrated all the time and kinda throws his wicket away a bit, Munro was meh, Nichols not enough game time but did the job, Guppy was Ronchi, Jimmy's Corey, CDG was either a huge hit or a miss, Kané's Baz and Latham is not Elliot, but he's looking crisp all of a sudden....

 

[TheJediBrah]

They do this hundreds of times in their career. I don't know if that is really a factor.

funny story, I used to keep and open the batting for a while and I found that it helped my batting more than anything to bowl first, because as keeper you get a great idea of how the wicket is playing and it almost feels like you already have your "eye in", as they say, when you go out to bat.

But I definitely felt tired out quicker, and I'm sure even though these guys are pros and do it all the time it would still wear you out. A lot of fielders can be pretty intense in the field and do a lot of work.

 

[stephen]

funny story, I used to keep and open the batting for a while and I found that it helped my batting more than anything to bowl first, because as keeper you get a great idea of how the wicket is playing and it almost feels like you already have your "eye in", as they say, when you go out to bat.

But I definitely felt tired out quicker, and I'm sure even though these guys are pros and do it all the time it would still wear you out. A lot of fielders can be pretty intense in the field and do a lot of work.

That's why Gilly was a second innings specialist opener.

 

[Zinzan]

Generally speaking if you're the weaker team in a game then you have to take a few risks to be competitive. Instead we did the opposite

Indeed, this is the bit that ripped my undies. I just didn't get the mentality. We were underdogs going into the game with all the pressure and expectation on India, the one occasion I thought we could bat freely and aggressively, yet we batted scared.

 

[Borges]

Don't worry. New Zealand have this game in the bag.
Bat freely and aggressively against England when you meet them in the final. Let CdG open and take that Archer to the cleaners.

 

[Zinzan]

There's really no excuse for NZ not to get to 250 minimum IMO. Two recognised batsmen at the wicket needing 39 off 23 to achieve that. I'm quietly hoping we're an outside chance of 260, which would mean 49 off 23, which is a taller order, but by no means out of the realms.

@ Flem - disagree on par being 270, I'd say between 280-290, meaning we're about 20-30 if we get around that 250-260 figure.

 

[ankitj]

I shamelessly moved around a bunch of meetings at work yesterday. Can't do it again today. Going to miss out on watching the game. It sucks.

 

[Borges]

250 would be about par. With 23 balls remaining, five wickets in hand, New Zealand should be able to get well above that. Just go full IPL mode.

 

[ankitj]

40 off 23 balls is possible even with Bumrah. Takes just 1 bad over. Kohli missed a trick yesterday by not bowling out Chahal sooner. Giving him 44th over was a grave mistake.

 

[Zinzan]

250 would be about par.

C'mon mate, even in Ghambiring-mode you can't think this... surely?

 

[Moss]

Indeed, this is the bit that ripped my undies. I just didn't get the mentality. We were underdogs going into the game with all the pressure and expectation on India, the one occasion I thought we could bat freely and aggressively, yet we batted scared.

Frustrating to watch but what can you do when your one accomplished free scoring opener (Guptill) is so woefully down on form and confidence, and other options like Munro have been tried and binned. With Latham only just about finding his groove and CdG and Neesham still flaky, KW and Ross were probably right in exercising caution to make sure a 2015 final-like collapse didn't happen. And yeah, India carry all the pressure and expectation in this game but the other side of the coin is they know how to deal with it for the most part.

 

[Zinzan]

Frustrating to watch but what can you do when your one accomplished free scoring opener (Guptill) is so woefully down on form and confidence

Here's what you do if you're Guptill and so badly out of form. You take a punt and walk at the bowlers (Astle/Bmac style) to put them off their length, hope to get one out of the middle with this approach, which will could make the bowler go away from Plan A, and could be enough to turn your form around.

What you don't do is stay on the crease poking and prodding as Guptill did for his 1 off 14.

 

[Moss]

Here's what you do if you're Guptill and so badly out of form. You take a punt and walk at the bowlers (Astle/Bmac style) to put them off their length, hope to get one out of the middle with this approach, which will could make the bowler go away from Plan A, and could be enough to turn your form around.

What you don't do is stay on the crease poking and prodding as Guptill did for his 1 off 14.

Fair enough, if this were about Guptill alone. I don't think the others in the top 5 could have afforded to do the same (though Taylor shouldn't have been stuck in such a rut early on), or would have gotten away with it against the Indian attack.

 

[Flem274*]

Guptill badly needs a hug and to be told to just have a swing in the final. Literally any cameo is better than this.

Plus once he gets some shots away he starts chilling tf out

 

[Borges]

C'mon mate, even in Ghambiring-mode you can't think this... surely?

250 or more has been successfully chased only twice in this World Cup. Though those two chases did look easy when they came off.
To put things in perspective, the Sri Lankan attack defended 232 against England.

Ps. I'm not ghambhiringh; I do want to see a New Zealand vs England final.

EDIT: corrected the typo in the spelling of ghambhiringh.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ghambiring

Why do people keep miss-spelling it like this I don't get it. It obviously can't be simply to annoy me.