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Virat Kohli, the greatest ODI bat ever?
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Difficult to compare his 11 years to Sachin's 23, although i favour Kohli.
Very difficult to compare his era to Viv's.
Impossible to split Kohli and AB.
The answer to this poll is no. If there is a clear winner it would have to be Viv until we see what Kohli does over the rest of his career. But I dont think Viv is a clear winner.
Very difficult to compare his era to Viv's.
Impossible to split Kohli and AB.
The answer to this poll is no. If there is a clear winner it would have to be Viv until we see what Kohli does over the rest of his career. But I dont think Viv is a clear winner.
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SillyCowCorner1
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How much has his batting impacted the game? In an era where runrate are so high.
If we go clearly on the stats, he's the best ever to play the game(sorry RTD)
Viv just in the conversation because he was slaying bowlers without any mercy.
If we go clearly on the stats, he's the best ever to play the game(sorry RTD)
Viv just in the conversation because he was slaying bowlers without any mercy.
Slifer
International Captain
The question I ask myself, could viv average 60+ in this day and age vs the likes of oz, bang, India, nz, RSA, Ireland etc. Could he do this under current conditions and with current equipment?? My gut is saying yes no doubt in my mind!! I also think viv would easily have a 95 + sr. Viv probably wouldnt have the century conversion though imo, kohli is on another level in this respect. Would kohli have averaged 47 + and struck at 90+ in the 80s under 80s conditions, 80s equipment and without restrictions on bouncers?? Haha unlikely imo. I could see him doing 45 at high 70s low 80s though. Anyway, as it is, if kohli retired right now I'd probably consider him the goat in odis. Even with everything I wrote above. Dude is just on another level atm
Red
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For me it's still Viv.
The top 5 batting at 3/4 in ODIs between 75-91 (Viv's era)
Viv - Avg 52 : SR 91
Miandad - Avg 44 : SR 67
D. Jones - Avg 49 : SR 75
Border - Avg 32 : SR 69
R.Richardson -Avg 37 : Sr 65
Viv was such a level above his peers in terms of scoring power and attitude that he was about 4 generations ahead of the development of the game. I'm not sure Kohli is that far ahead of the curve.
Kohli is outstanding though....for me it's a three way argument between Viv, Kohli and AB DeVilliers now.
The top 5 batting at 3/4 in ODIs between 75-91 (Viv's era)
Viv - Avg 52 : SR 91
Miandad - Avg 44 : SR 67
D. Jones - Avg 49 : SR 75
Border - Avg 32 : SR 69
R.Richardson -Avg 37 : Sr 65
Viv was such a level above his peers in terms of scoring power and attitude that he was about 4 generations ahead of the development of the game. I'm not sure Kohli is that far ahead of the curve.
Kohli is outstanding though....for me it's a three way argument between Viv, Kohli and AB DeVilliers now.
Senile Sentry
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Yep. He's definitely getting there. Can hardly argue with 10k rins at over 60. Unreal stuff.
Senile Sentry
International Debutant
Ab is clearly a rung below Kohli.
Zinzan
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Is there an argument along with that statement?
Legitimately, and especially highlighted in Red Hill's 75-91 analysis, how is Kohli even close to be as far ahead of the pack today as Richards' was against his peers. Richard's SR of 90 came in an era where 70 was outstanding... I mean even the great Gordon Greenidge had a SR of 64 IIRC. Kohli's average is brilliant, but his SR is just up with his peers, it's not really outstanding.
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Zinzan
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I don't know if I agree with that. How do we know that in 20 years the expected/par batting SR in ODI isn't 130? Would we then hold it against Kohli in only striking around 90 in his era, and say they hadn't really figured out the right batting approach back then?
Daemon
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Viv averaged 47 in ODIs, not 52. His SR was what put him ahead of the pack more than the average imo, as brilliant as it was. For Kohli it's the other way around.
We also always leave out Abbas (I don't know where he usually batted tbf) who averaged 47 at an SR of 85 in the same era as Viv. The only peer who can match his stats, albeit playing only 1/3 of the games.
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Not really because the format has been around for a long time now.
ODIs were much younger back then, which leaves room for that argument. Not saying that the other players just needed to flick a switch and instantly add 10 runs to their SR but it could have had a bit of effect. We saw this effect with T20Is as well, plenty of international players just didn't know how to approach the format.
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srbhkshk
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It's not just up with his peers - it's consistently been ~8-9 points higher than average era SR, and his average is a lot higher than the era average compared to Viv.