Which Indian team do you think will win in a 5 test series ?

[sunilz]

Also h_hurricane is dead wrong about pitches in WI being bowler friendly when Lillee toured. The run of low averaging series there only started in '77 wth the series against Pakistan. All series from from '68 to '76 inclusive were batting friendly, and Lloyd only determinedly adopted the four pacers strategy after India's record chase in the third test in '76.

And yet Greg chappell couldn't score enough runs in his 1973 tour .

 

[Prince EWS]

And yet Greg chappell couldn't score enough runs in his 1973 tour .

So what?

 

[sunilz]

But this is exactly what you and the other fella have been doing.

Lol . We are arguing that Chappell and Lillee are comparable to Marshall, Imran, Gavaskar, Richards. etc.

 

[h_hurricane]

Also h_hurricane is dead wrong about pitches in WI being bowler friendly when Lillee toured. The run of low averaging series there only started in '77 wth the series against Pakistan. All series from from '68 to '76 inclusive were batting friendly, and Lloyd only determinedly adopted the four pacers strategy after India's record chase in the third test in '76.

I did not make any such claims in the first place

 

[sunilz]

So what?

Don't discount runs made by Gavaskar in 1971 WI tour considering both faced nearly same set of bowlers .

 

[Starfighter]

So what?

One flop doesn't make phoney, and every dog has its day. Sayings that tend to encapsulate my opinion of singular performances, bad or good.

Lol . We are arguing that Chappell and Lillee are comparable to Marshall, Imran, Gavaskar, Richards. etc.

*facepalms*

 

[Burgey]

He averaged nigh on 50...

Just junk posting. I'll give you something, you're more consistent in the shitiness of your posting than any of these players are in their away careers.

 

[Starfighter]

I did not make any such claims in the first place

We already sorted that out. In any case you agreed.

 

[sunilz]

He averaged nigh on 50...

Just junk posting. I'll give you something, you're more consistent in the shitiness of your posting than any of these players are in their away careers.

And Gavaskar scored 774 runs in 4 test matches which is thrice as that of Chappell
Next time please never compare Chappell to Gavaskar, Richards etc.

 

[Burgey]

Lol . We are arguing that Chappell and Lillee are comparable to Marshall, Imran, Gavaskar, Richards. etc.

Richards is ahead of both Chappell and Gavaskar imo. Whenever Gavaskar toured here and played a decent outfit they could get him out with a tomato. It was sad. Michael Vaughan >>>>> Gavaskar in Australia. Greenidge, Haynes, G Smith >>>> Gavaskar in Australia. Sehwag >>> Gavaskar in Australia. Trust me, I watched him bat here. If you ever wanted a mercy rule invoked in cricket, it would have been for Ponting in India whenever Harby played and for Gavaskar here when he wasn't playing a second XI.

Marshall trumps both Lillee and Imran afaik. Probably the second best pacer of all time behind McGrath. Imran I would have either just ahead of or level with Lillee. Both great bowlers but Marshall I think was better than both.

 

[h_hurricane]

Yeah but he didn't have the chance to put those performances in. I mean, if he'd toured as often as Ashwin has and stunk it up as bad you'd have a point. But he didn't. All you can say is you dont' know how he would have gone if he'd toured there more. This isn't like a Ponting in India type argument where you can genuinely say he had enough goes there to have a big impact but didn't.

I am already giving Lillee the benefit of doubt and assuming he would have put in 1-2 good/impactful performances like Ashwin/Jadeja/Yasir had he played 10-15 test matches like them. I am only placing him somewhere close to those guys in alien conditions. Isn't it fair enough ? I don't see him turning a series on its head in WI or SC.

 

[sunilz]

Richards is ahead of both Chappell and Gavaskar imo. Whenever Gavaskar toured here and played a decent outfit they could get him out with a tomato. It was sad. Michael Vaughan >>>>> Gavaskar in Australia. Greenidge, Haynes, G Smith >>>> Gavaskar in Australia. Sehwag >>> Gavaskar in Australia. Trust me, I watched him bat here. If you ever wanted a mercy rule invoked in cricket, it would have been for Ponting in India whenever Harby played and for Gavaskar here when he wasn't playing a second XI.

Marshall trumps both Lillee and Imran afaik. Probably the second best pacer of all time behind McGrath. Imran I would have either just ahead of or level with Lillee. Both great bowlers but Marshall I think was better than both.

The burn is real

 

[Starfighter]

The burn is real

What burn? Not even tepid.

 

[vcs]

I struggle to see any argument for McGrath > Marshall. Marshall was as good as McGrath (if not better) statistically and struck 5-6 balls faster on average.

 

[Burgey]

I am already giving Lillee the benefit of doubt and assuming he would have put in 1-2 good/impactful performances like Ashwin/Jadeja/Yasir had he played 10-15 test matches like them. I am only placing him somewhere close to those guys in alien conditions. Isn't it fair enough ? I don't see him turning a series on its head in WI or SC.

I don't know. Less likely I think to do so in SC conditions than WI conditions of the late 70s givent he pitches, but you're always a chance if you can duck it around a bit at decent pace. Unfortunately we'll never know.

 

[Burgey]

I struggle to see any argument for McGrath > Marshall. Marshall was as good as McGrath (if not better) statistically and struck 5-6 balls faster on average.

McGrath played in an era where batsmen's averages are often adjusted downwards given the flat decks, yet his average is comparable to Marshall's but for some reason never gets adjusted like his batting peers do. Both great bowlers. Would be an awesome new ball attack, with one bloke swinging it, the other hitting the deck. One skiddy and the other getting bounce. Would be a nightmare.

 

[sunilz]

Can we say that Venkatpati Raju >> Warne in IND ?

 

[Burgey]

As long as we can say Bruce Yardley > Kumble in Australia, sure.

 

[vcs]

McGrath played in an era where batsmen's averages are often adjusted downwards given the flat decks, yet his average is comparable to Marshall's but for some reason never gets adjusted like his batting peers do. Both great bowlers. Would be an awesome new ball attack, with one bloke swinging it, the other hitting the deck. One skiddy and the other getting bounce. Would be a nightmare.

Steyn dealt with flatter wickets and struck faster TBH.

I get it, McGrath's mode of operation was different and no less effective, I just prefer the more destructive bowler in terms of SR if averages are comparable.

 

[h_hurricane]

We already sorted that out. In any case you agreed.

Agreed on what ? The only thing I mentioned was that Lillee has been poor in SC and WI. I did not buy the injury part as it is part and parcel of a sportsman's career. I did not make any reference to the pitch he was playing in that WI series. Burgey did.