What Qualifies as a Test Allrounder?

[Days of Grace]

Just thinking about the criteria I should set for my test allrounders list. Currently, it is an adjusted batting average of 20.00 or more and 1 or more wickets per innings. This eliminates batting allrounders such as Steve Waugh and Dougie Walters who would otherwise finish high up the list.

I'm thinking that Graeme Swann and Ryan Harris shouldn't be thought of as allrounders, though. Perhaps I should raise the batting average cut-off to 25.00, but this would eliminate Wasim Akram, Alan Davidson, and others.

Thoughts?

 

[trundler]

Maybe account for not outs or fifties per innings? I'm sure there would always be some weird omissions and inclusions anyway.

 

[Victor Ian]

Maybe bat in 80 percent innings and bowl more than 7 overs in 80 percent. Or perhaps generally bat top 8 and bowl top 5. I think the bowling definitely needs a quantity participation thing.

 

[Victor Ian]

An all rounder should not be someone useful with bat or useful with ball, if you get what I mean. They should be someone being picked to make a reasonable contribution with both. Averages alone won't identify this.

 

[Days of Grace]

Minimum requirement of 2.00 points per innings might work.

 

[cnerd123]

Yea I'd go with number of overs bowled/innings and frequency of batting in the top 8 as well.

 

[Howe_zat]

Whether or not you played as an allrounder shouldn't be measured by how good you were at it. Shivron Hetmyer averages 19, but he's still a batsman.

 

[smash84]

Just thinking about the criteria I should set for my test allrounders list. Currently, it is an adjusted batting average of 20.00 or more and 1 or more wickets per innings. This eliminates batting allrounders such as Steve Waugh and Dougie Walters who would otherwise finish high up the list.

I'm thinking that Graeme Swann and Ryan Harris shouldn't be thought of as allrounders, though. Perhaps I should raise the batting average cut-off to 25.00, but this would eliminate Wasim Akram, Alan Davidson, and others.

Thoughts?

25 is not a bad cutoff. Akram and Davidson and Marshall weren't really all rounders so they should be out of the list.

 

[Days of Grace]

I was actually surprised that Davo never scored a test century.

Wasim has a huge double century vs. Zimbabwe and not much else.

 

[mr_mister]

Davidson definitely an all rounder. Look at his FC stats

 

[Days of Grace]

Frank Woolley was also an all-rounder in first-class cricket, but not really an all-rounder in tests.

 

[Starfighter]

Frank Woolley was also an all-rounder in first-class cricket, but not really an all-rounder in tests.

17 overs a test seems enough to me. Generally I've seen people put a cut off at around 1 w/m, though I personally think that's slightly too low.

For comparison Watson bowled 15.5 overs a test.

 

[Days of Grace]

Percentage of team’s overs is better.

And yes, 1 wicket a match is a little low. 1 wicket per innings is better.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Percentage of team’s overs is better.

And yes, 1 wicket a match is a little low. 1 wicket per innings is better.

Though the percentage of teams overs can change dramatically if you are touring Australia or India depending on what you bowl.

Looking at the England side I would say Stokes, Woakes and Moeen are genuine all rounders. Rashid and early Broad bowlers who know which end of the bat to hold and can make vital contributions and Curran we need to wait to see more of as he could be a freak.

 

[Starfighter]

Percentage of team’s overs is better.

Doesn't take into account team / condition dynamics with any adequacy.

And yes, 1 wicket a match is a little low. 1 wicket per innings is better.

No way. That excludes Watson, and Kallis (292 in 272) only just scrapes in. Should be somewhere between 1 and 1.5 at the most.

 

[Days of Grace]

I've settled for 25.00+ adjusted batting average and 1 wicket per match.

 

[h_hurricane]

The likes of Marshall and Akram are not, but Davidson is definitely an allrounder for me. A bowling average of 20 and batting average of 24 is downright awesome( Much better than someone with bowl. average of 30 and batting average of 34). Only thing that is pulling down Davo slightly is longevity.

 

[h_hurricane]

Here are my criterias for allrounders.

1) Batting average of 40+ or bowling average of less than 30. ( This ensures that the player is good enough to be in the team on primary discipline alone)
2) At least 3 wickets or 60 runs per match. ( The depth of contribution in primary skill)
3) Batting average greater than bowling average. (Most important criteria)
4) At least 30 runs and 1.5 wickets per match. (The depth of contribution in secondary skill)
5) At least 40 test matches. ( Longevity)

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

The perfect all rounder in today's test cricket is Jason Holder

 

[trundler]

There's that bloke who just won his 12th Man of the Match Award..