SillyCowCorner1
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Greg Chappell Vs Rahul Dravid - who was the better test match batsman?
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Alvin barely played post 81 didn't he? I certainly agree that overall the WI side of the 80s was miles better, but Lara of course was a superb player of spin, even Carl Hooper played it pretty well. It's probably all relative, in that the 80s side was so dominant against manly bowling that its weakness vs spin may seem worse than it actually was compared with other outfits. I just have recollections of Bob Holland causing them problems, and of course TOTAB jagging 11 for the match in Sydney too.
the big bambino
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Its actually been remarkably consistent over the decades but just a couple of things. Some exceptional averages in earlier eras have been the result of those men playing fewer innings in comparison to more modern times. Without selling them short I think Headley and G Pollock are examples. I think the more innings you play has a negative impact on your average because its simply too difficult to maintain a 60 average over a long period of consistent play.
Maybe leading with my chin here but I think you are right about the 00s. That being a decade where the batting average is higher compared to others. So maybe Viv and Greg get points adjusted for that. Agree with the point about Smith and though not mentioned, Kohli - who is as competent player of all types of bowling I've seen. I think that can be said now after he reversed his previous results v Anderson.
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the big bambino
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Having grown up in the pace is god era, I got my first reckoning as to how good and valuable leg spinners were when I saw Sivaramakrishnan bowl to and make a fool out of Allan Lamb. Just could not believe how such a world class player could look like he'd never held a bat in his life. It was an amazing transformation and he looked like he didn't belong on a cricket field.
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SillyCowCorner1
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Was he that good?
the big bambino
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I think he started off great but then flamed out pretty quickly. So really, no he wasn't all that good which makes the schooling of Lamb even more surprising.
SillyCowCorner1
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Were they bamboozled by his name?
the big bambino
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Charmed I'd say. Its a great name.
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Big difference between Australian conditions in the 70s when compared to today
Brisbane & Perth were lightning quick, MCG was simply awful on many occasions while Sydney was a great cricket wicket (seamed early, spun late) and only Adelaide was flat
Nowadays, most are flat with Adelaide probably the best for bowlers when day/nighters are played as they keep grass on to protect the ball plus they've brought the ropes in
Impossible to prove obviously but I reckon that you could add substantially to the averages of guys like Chappell and Border
the big bambino
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On reflection its a fair point when compared to the first decade of this century and some way into the present one.
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70s/80s Windies
Most of those guys were very comfortable against pace but were far less assured when it came to spin bowling
Part of the reason was that there weren't many top class operators around (see stats for 70s & 80s spinners below) but they also didn't play them much and could rely on their pace bowlers to smash the opposition anyway
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One of the reasons why Warne was such a revelation is that aside from Qadir, there had not been a quality leg spinner in the game for more than 2 decades before he came along (you can ignore Chandra as he was totally different) so would have posed far different challenges to the Windies than they ever faced
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Hmm yeah I could see warne maybe troubling wi in Australia especially in Sydney but inevitably he'd have to play the wi in the wi. There like all other spinners, he'd be taken to the cleaners.
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Perhaps that is why we'd be proud to have him. Import a bit of class.
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Can't give Dravid. He is a darling. Want Harbhajan instead?
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Too Australian.Can't give Dravid. He is a darling. Want Harbhajan instead?
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The normal awards that everyone else has
Why do you think he is the most un-Australian?