Days of Grace
International Captain
Yes, Wasim was remembered more for style than substance. The style being god-like and the substance being merely outstanding.
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DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1
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OverratedSanity
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What's rpw?
Bijed
International Regular
Runs per wicket, I assume
OverratedSanity
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So, average?
OverratedSanity
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Also does this mean Ashwin >Anderson?
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
True. Started earning a lot of respect around this time. Headingly 2002, Adelaide 2003, Sydney 2004, then Pakistan tour were some of his outstanding performances. In the first part of his career he was largely pedestrian outside Asia except for one 6 wicket haul in SA. Turned it around in the second half. Great bowler.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Probably yes
Ashwin still has a few years ahead and should end up higher convincingly. Fitness rather than skills is a concern for him I believe. Tries more variations than required on overseas tours. May be he could take a leaf out of Kumble who focussed more on accuracy and hence had more success abroad in the second half of his career.
Watching a bowler with ability sabotage themselves by bowling to the wrong plans consistently is one of the most frustrating things to watch. Batsmen I can forgive somewhat. Have a brainfade and it's often over as soon as it was proven wrong. But bowlers do it over and over. Everyone knows what they are doing wrong except them and maybe their captain.
Ashwin can eat a dick. I really want to see him succeed- more so than anyone from outside my home country, and I'm even counting His Roundness here. I love his batting. Probably my favourite to watch in terms of style. I like watching him bowl, and rated him highly. Seems like he really has a brain. Recent onfield evidence suggests otherwise. Pull your **** together man. You are an offie. You can't expect a wicket every three balls away. Nothing wrong with keeping it tight and pinning the bats down at times.
Well, I was talking about Ashwin generating outrage a couple of pages ago. Consider this my contribution.
Ashwin can eat a dick. I really want to see him succeed- more so than anyone from outside my home country, and I'm even counting His Roundness here. I love his batting. Probably my favourite to watch in terms of style. I like watching him bowl, and rated him highly. Seems like he really has a brain. Recent onfield evidence suggests otherwise. Pull your **** together man. You are an offie. You can't expect a wicket every three balls away. Nothing wrong with keeping it tight and pinning the bats down at times.
Well, I was talking about Ashwin generating outrage a couple of pages ago. Consider this my contribution.
harsh.ag
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There are going to be two of those. Both offies.
Burgey
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Smith the only batsman in the list (counting kallis as an all rounder)
Days of Grace
International Captain
No.17
Kagiso Rabada (South Africa) 835
Quality Points: 794
Career Points: 41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMsY86gx0E
Career: 2015-
Wickets: 151
Gold Performances: 4
7/112 vs. England at Centurion 2016 (16.86)
6/32 vs. England at Centurion 2016 (16.03)
6/55 vs. Sri Lanka at Cape Town 2017 (15.88)
6/54 vs. Australia at Port Elizabeth 2018 (16.16)
Silver Performances: 4
Bronze Performances: 3
Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.30 (21.72) 42.09 (39.32) 5.41 (rank 4)
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2016-2018): 18.72 39.05 6.18 (rank 9)
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.10 58.53 3.54 (rank 66)
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 21.44 43.78 5.27 (rank 10)
Kigiso Rabada is arguably the biggest surprise of this entire top 100 countdown. But looking at his top 10 rankings in overall, peak, and quality oppositon, one can understand why he is rated so highly at this early stage of his career. One self-criticism I have of the system is that it ranks too highly players who have stellar beginnings to their career (and there are many throughout the history of the game). On the other hand, Rabada has already played 30 test matches and taken over 150 wickets. Where should the cut-off be for receiving maximum quality points? At the present, it is 50 innings for overall and peak, 25 for non-home and quality opposition. Perhaps it should be 100 innings, but this would be unfair to bowlers from yesteryear such as Barnes and O'Reilly. Penalties shouldn't be applied for career length, since a bowler who plays one match in 2001 then comes back to play another in 2010 gets full value on their career points.
In the end, Rabada will either prove his high ranking in the next few years or he will drop out of the top 20. But there can be no doubt that he is one of the most talented pacemen of the 21st century, part of a new generation that has wrestled back some of the limelight for the bowlers after the batsmen-dominated noughties.
Kagiso Rabada (South Africa) 835
Quality Points: 794
Career Points: 41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMsY86gx0E
Career: 2015-
Wickets: 151
Gold Performances: 4
7/112 vs. England at Centurion 2016 (16.86)
6/32 vs. England at Centurion 2016 (16.03)
6/55 vs. Sri Lanka at Cape Town 2017 (15.88)
6/54 vs. Australia at Port Elizabeth 2018 (16.16)
Silver Performances: 4
Bronze Performances: 3
Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.30 (21.72) 42.09 (39.32) 5.41 (rank 4)
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2016-2018): 18.72 39.05 6.18 (rank 9)
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.10 58.53 3.54 (rank 66)
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 21.44 43.78 5.27 (rank 10)
Kigiso Rabada is arguably the biggest surprise of this entire top 100 countdown. But looking at his top 10 rankings in overall, peak, and quality oppositon, one can understand why he is rated so highly at this early stage of his career. One self-criticism I have of the system is that it ranks too highly players who have stellar beginnings to their career (and there are many throughout the history of the game). On the other hand, Rabada has already played 30 test matches and taken over 150 wickets. Where should the cut-off be for receiving maximum quality points? At the present, it is 50 innings for overall and peak, 25 for non-home and quality opposition. Perhaps it should be 100 innings, but this would be unfair to bowlers from yesteryear such as Barnes and O'Reilly. Penalties shouldn't be applied for career length, since a bowler who plays one match in 2001 then comes back to play another in 2010 gets full value on their career points.
In the end, Rabada will either prove his high ranking in the next few years or he will drop out of the top 20. But there can be no doubt that he is one of the most talented pacemen of the 21st century, part of a new generation that has wrestled back some of the limelight for the bowlers after the batsmen-dominated noughties.
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Borges
International Regular
Perhaps a sliding cut off based on the frequency of games in an era; say, starting at 50 innings for the old timers, and going up to 100 innings for the present.
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
I'm absolutely stunned, didn't think Rabada would have been around anywhere near long enough to feature. No doubting his quality but I certainly didn't see this coming.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Akram was the best bowler of 90s
bagapath
International Captain
Akram, Warne, Waqar, Donald, Murali, McGrath, Walsh, Kumble and S. Pollock were the top bowlers of the 90s who could be ranked from No. 2 to No. 10 in that order. The No.1 bowler of the 90s was Curtley Ambrose.
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