30 Test hundreds

[stephen]

Why does the proportion matter when Warne's volume of wickets is so high? He took 380 top 6 wickets to McGrath's 377. Just because he took tailend wickets on top of those doesn't make him worse. It's almost as if taking lower order wickets is a negative.

It's exactly what people overlook when looking at spinners. Wrapping up the lower order and ending stubborn middle/lower order partnerships when the pacers are tired and want to put their legs up is a big part of their job and what makes them invaluable.

It's not a negative for Warne, but it enhances McGrath's legend. He got his 21 average taking the majority of his wickets against the top order. Given more opportunity against the tail he might have had an even lower average. But even if that's not the case, it's still damn impressive.

 

[ankitj]

Why does the proportion matter when Warne's volume of wickets is so high? He took 380 top 6 wickets to McGrath's 377. Just because he took tailend wickets on top of those doesn't make him worse. It's almost as if taking lower order wickets is a negative.

It's exactly what people overlook when looking at spinners. Wrapping up the lower order and ending stubborn middle/lower order partnerships when the pacers are tired and want to put their legs up is a big part of their job and what makes them invaluable.

Long time since I plugged this one: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/48524-how-valuable-wicket.html

 

[indiaholic]

If you have the formulas lying around, then I would be interested in seeing where Steyn ranks now.

 

[Victor Ian]

Long time since I plugged this one: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/48524-how-valuable-wicket.html

I don't suppose you ever made the inverse of this for batting. Which batsmen raised bowlers averages the most?

 

[OverratedSanity]

They've all got the talent to, certainly.

The current FTP runs to the 2019 World Cup. The records of the big 4 to date are:

Williamson: 48 Tests, 13 tons
Smith: 41 Tests, 14 tons
Root: 44 Tests, 10 tons
Kohli: 42 Tests, 12 tons

Two years later:

Williamson: 18
Smith: 23
Kohli: 24
Root: 14

Smith and kohli have churned out hundreds like crazy and even if they go on a long Ponting-esque decline they should be able to get there. Williamson is still scoring tons but but not playing enough tests while he's in peak form will hurt his chances. And unless Root stops throwing it away with dumb shots it'll be tough for him. Might eventually get there by 180 tests or so.

 

[ankitj]

Everyone who scores 30 hundreds is better than Bradman.

 

[Hicheal Michael]

Doesn't look like Amla will get there.

 

[Howe_zat]

Of the young batsmen in internationals, I'd take a punt on Virat Kohli.

The ICC banning short-pitched deliveries, are they?

I used to be ok at predictions

 

[Burgey]

Smith will get there by January 2020

 

[CricAddict]

Smith will get there by January 2020

When is his ban ending?

 

[Starfighter]

When is his ban ending?

Next March I'd imagine.

 

[CricAddict]

Next March I'd imagine.

Hope he comes back stronger. He is the closest that we have got to watching Bradman.

 

[StephenZA]

Doesn't look like Amla will get there.

He has 2 more series at least against Pak and SL at home... should hopefully get 2 more tons in that time.

 

[_00_deathscar]

13 tons at 25 lol he'd have to seriously start sucking or retire hella young to make 30

Or just not being all that great. He has 1 hundred since the time this was posted, which was 2 years ago. And being English, can't put it down to the lack of tests. Probably added about 20 fifties in the time though.

Edit: Just realised this might be about Williamson. Whom was this about?

 

[morgieb]

Or just not being all that great. He has 1 hundred since the time this was posted, which was 2 years ago. And being English, can't put it down to the lack of tests. Probably added about 20 fifties in the time though.

Edit: Just realised this might be about Williamson. Whom was this about?

Was about Williamson.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Was about Williamson.

Yea that's fair.

The rate at which Kohli and Smith are racking up centuries is quite something - everyone else around them who has scored ~25 centuries has played around about 1.5x or even 2x (Border) the amount of innings. Kohli really should have had a couple more from his England trip too.

Sobers, Chappell and Yousuf (and of course Bradman with 29) the only ones comfortably <1.5x what Kohli and Smith are going at.

 

[vcs]

Kohli is replicating Ponting's 2001-2006 peak. He's a bit ahead of schedule compared to Ponting, but he might hit the downcurve a bit earlier too.

It's a shame we haven't managed to surround him with a couple of other quality batsmen, great individual performances but no away Test series wins (or even draws) to show for it.

 

[stephen]

The comparison between Ponting and Kohli is apt. They go about their cricket in a very similar fashion. It wouldn't surprise me if Kohli ends up scoring more runs in his career than Ponting did.

Smith is something else though.

 

[Bolo]

Very similar stuff from Kohli and Ponting early career. Good bats. More than good if you take experience into account. Then an explosion into awesome. My money is on Kohli not being able to sustain the carnage as long (can't be arsed to check records, but I did at some stage, and I think ponting was boss for about 7 years), but I doubt he will be rubbish like end career Ponting.

Smith is an entirely different beast. Voges or bradman in his recent performances; too early to call.

 

[Burner]

Smith and Kohli have a good shot at 40 tons imo. I know only the elites get there and you can never know when the runs just dry up but these 2 are that good. The one year ban is a major setback for Smith in that sense. A year of his prime especially for someone who relies on his eye like he does.