Why does Pakistan traditionally produce better fast bowlers than India?

[srbhkshk]

Kapil's batting is being underrated I admit. He should be the 4th seamer if that's the combo you're going for. I'll take Mushtaq Mohammad/Mankad though. Khan should bat no higher than 7. Don't see how Engineer's good enough to open at this level.

Not many XIs with Hazare.

This is not a team for SC conditions.

Outside SC Engineer is not a particular drop off from either Sehwag or Hanif.

For reference - (outside SC averages)

Sehwag - 34.5
Hanif - 37.3
Engineer - 34.1

 

[trundler]

This is not a team for SC conditions.

Outside SC Engineer is not a particular drop off from either Sehwag or Hanif.

For reference - (outside SC averages)

Sehwag - 34.5
Hanif - 37.3
Engineer - 34.1

Hanif's average is a bit of a surprise. Over how many matches is that?

 

[srbhkshk]

Hanif's average is a bit of a surprise. Over how many matches is that?

11 for Hanif / 12 for Engineer / 31 for Sehwag.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Would still get bowled out for ~100 on a cloudy morning in England

What is the combined avg of the team in such conditions?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Hanif's average is a bit of a surprise. Over how many matches is that?

Is it though? He only averaged 43 in total, 37 away isn't a huge drop

 

[jimmy101]

If we're picking an all-time Asian team to play outside of Asia, I think Mohinder Amarnath would be a good shout. One of the India's finest-ever players of pace bowling.

 

[trundler]

If we're picking an all-time Asian team to play outside of Asia, I think Mohinder Amarnath would be a good shout. One of the India's finest-ever players of pace bowling.

Sehwag and Ashwin should be nowhere near this side then. Gupte would be the spinner. Kapil's bowling away isn't that impressive either. Averaged a shade under 32.

 

[jimmy101]

Sehwag and Ashwin should be nowhere near this side then. Gupte would be the spinner. Kapil's bowling away isn't that impressive either. Averaged a shade under 32.

Sehwag has a pretty good record in Oz though. He might be in the conversation.

Specialist Asian touring XI

Vijay Merchant
Sunil Gavaskar
Mohinder Amarnath
Sachin Tendulkar
Rahul Dravid
MAK Pataudi*
Imran Khan
Syed Kirmani+
Wasim Akram
Muttiah Muralitharan
Waqar Younis

A team equipped for matches in places like Aus, Eng, RSA & WI. Mohinder would be called upon as a 5th bowler for brief spells, bowling his medium pace. However, if the pitch displayed a hint of turn I'd be tempted to partner Murali up with a spin twin.

Extended squad: Virat Kohli, Virender Sehwag, Zaheer Abbas, Kapil Dev, Mushtaq Ahmed, Subhash Gupte, Mohammad Asif.

 

[trundler]

Sehwag has a pretty good record in Oz though. He might be in the conversation.

Specialist Asian touring XI

Vijay Merchant
Sunil Gavaskar
Mohinder Amarnath
Sachin Tendulkar
Rahul Dravid
MAK Pataudi*
Imran Khan
Syed Kirmani+
Wasim Akram
Muttiah Muralitharan
Waqar Younis

A team equipped for matches in places like Aus, Eng, RSA & WI. Mohinder would be called upon as a 5th bowler for brief spells, bowling his medium pace. However, if the pitch displayed a hint of turn I'd be tempted to partner Murali up with a spin twin.

Extended squad: Virat Kohli, Virender Sehwag, Zaheer Abbas, Kapil Dev, Mushtaq Ahmed, Subhash Gupte, Mohammad Asif.

Great squad. No Sangakarra?

 

[jimmy101]

Yeah chuck Sanga in there. Probably Mankad too.

 

[trundler]

Amarnath apparently averaged 30.44 at home and 51 away. Ganguly also averaged more away.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kapildev is 5th or 6th greatest asian cricketer
And Indian cricketer of last century.. Just saying

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sehwag has a pretty good record in Oz though. He might be in the conversation.

Specialist Asian touring XI

Vijay Merchant
Sunil Gavaskar
Mohinder Amarnath
Sachin Tendulkar
Rahul Dravid
MAK Pataudi*
Imran Khan
Syed Kirmani+
Wasim Akram
Muttiah Muralitharan
Waqar Younis

A team equipped for matches in places like Aus, Eng, RSA & WI. Mohinder would be called upon as a 5th bowler for brief spells, bowling his medium pace. However, if the pitch displayed a hint of turn I'd be tempted to partner Murali up with a spin twin.

Extended squad: Virat Kohli, Virender Sehwag, Zaheer Abbas, Kapil Dev, Mushtaq Ahmed, Subhash Gupte, Mohammad Asif.

Murali though? Guy averages 70 in Australia. Not sure how he was in the rest of non-Asia.

 

[jimmy101]

Murali though? Guy averages 70 in Australia. Not sure how he was in the rest of non-Asia.

70? Wow. I knew Australia wasn't a happy hunting ground for him, but that's a worse than I would have guessed. It's tough to think of who could operate as a better spin spearhead than Murali. If we're talking about hypothetical Tests played in Australia before the drop-in pitch era, I could see Murali operating at better than 70 with the likes of Wasim, Waqar and Imran in support. Unless, of course, the cape-less crusader, umpire Hair, is officiating the match.

 

[vcs]

Kohli will definitely make it to that side. Out of Asian batsmen, I think only Sachin, Dravid and Gavaskar have more centuries than him outside Asia. And he's only halfway through his career.

EDIT : 11 hundreds in 30 matches, wow, and that's with a mediocre record in WI, which is not a very important challenge for batsmen in this era.

 

[TheJediBrah]

70? Wow. I knew Australia wasn't a happy hunting ground for him, but that's a worse than I would have guessed. It's tough to think of who could operate as a better spin spearhead than Murali. If we're talking about hypothetical Tests played in Australia before the drop-in pitch era, I could see Murali operating at better than 70 with the likes of Wasim, Waqar and Imran in support. Unless, of course, the cape-less crusader, umpire Hair, is officiating the match.

Kumble did alright

 

[marc71178]

Kapil better batsman than Imran.

Cute.

100% wrong (and this is coming from someone who doesn't particularly rate Imran's batting) but cute.

 

[Borges]

70? Wow. I knew Australia wasn't a happy hunting ground for him, but that's a worse than I would have guessed. It's tough to think of who could operate as a better spin spearhead than Murali.

Among the Indian spinners, Bedi had the best record in Australia, Chandra and Prasanna also did reasonably well. Nevertheless, choosing a single team for non-subcontinental matches based solely on performance in Australia would be as asinine as the Australian Miyagi not rating Murali just because he didn't do very well in its country.

 

[jimmy101]

Bedi, Chandra & Prasanna are always on my radar.

On the flipside, here is a non-Asian specialist squad, to tour the subcontinent.

Matthew Hayden
Geoff Boycott
Donald Bradman
Ricky Ponting
Brian Lara
Garfield Sobers*
Adam Gilchrist+
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

There may very well be a better pairing than Boycs & Hados up top, but I can't think of too many other players who did as well as them in the SC without looking up any stats. Pretty happy with the balance of bowling lineup, with Sobers able to play a mutli-faceted role. The only players with a lack of experience in the SC are Braddles & Tiger, but I think they'd take to it like a duck in water. I'd also be curious to see how Graeme Pollock would fare in Asia, he makes the extended squad.

Extended squad: Steve Smith, Wally Hammond, Denis Compton, Allan Border, Graeme Pollock, Richie Benaud, Richard Hadlee, Dale Steyn, Fred Trueman, Hedley Verity

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ponting for Asia? Itstl. He didn't exactly perform there

Just replace him with Smith IMO