*Official* Pakistan tour of Ireland, England and Scotland 2018

[cnerd123]

Would love to have an Elgar and Markram 10 Tests 55.91, 7 100s

Don't see whats stopping you from poaching them like all the other South Africans tbh

 

[smash84]

really liked what I saw of Mohammad Abbas. Reminds me a bit of Asif. Relies on subtle movements off the seam to get batsmen out.

I hope he develops over the course of the next few years and doesn't fall by the wayside.

 

[tooextracool]

The strength that we have had for several years now (in England) has been our 6-7-8-9 batting. Playing Wood for Woakes largely eliminated this advantage.

Cook
Jennings
Root
Hildreth
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen/Bess
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

I'd personally rather stack the side with the extra mediocre batsman/all-rounder if it means that we are more likely to get 250 - 350 on a regular basis and you can hope that Cook and Root will manage a big score in each series to tip the balance.

 

[tooextracool]

I think they're considering opening with Bairstow. At least based on a report today.

Seems to me to just be shifting eggs from one basket to another. We don't seem to have a competent opening batsman to replace Stoneman or a middle order bat to replace Bairstow and we are instead choosing to introduce a third variable, i.e. the potential that our one half-decent bat may actually struggle against the new ball?

 

[Mr Miyagi]

The strength that we have had for several years now (in England) has been our 6-7-8-9 batting. Playing Wood for Woakes largely eliminated this advantage.

Cook
Jennings
Root
Hildreth
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen/Bess
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

I'd personally rather stack the side with the extra mediocre batsman/all-rounder if it means that we are more likely to get 250 - 350 on a regular basis and you can hope that Cook and Root will manage a big score in each series to tip the balance.

With TRJ out injured it is time to unleash the
6 Stokes
7 Foakes
8 Woakes

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Christ Root is such a pain when it comes to reviews. So often does that little head shake like he’s hard done by when he’s stone dead. Learning is hard.

Glad I'm not the only one who notices this, pretty childish stuff from Root

 

[tooextracool]

With TRJ out injured it is time to unleash the
6 Stokes
7 Foakes
8 Woakes

Foakes can certainly consider himself to be very unlucky given his performances during the tour games in Australia and his record relative to his peers. My one concern is whether he is good enough to play as a specialist bat? 8 tons in 82 FC games is hardly anything to ride home about and England seem averse to releasing Bairstow from his keeping duties.

 

[morgieb]

Foakes can certainly consider himself to be very unlucky given his performances during the tour games in Australia and his record relative to his peers. My one concern is whether he is good enough to play as a specialist bat? 8 tons in 82 FC games is hardly anything to ride home about and England seem averse to releasing Bairstow from his keeping duties.

Didn't stop them from picking Buttler. Malan's FC record isn't too flash either (though with more tons relative to games played)

 

[smash84]

really liked what I saw of Mohammad Abbas. Reminds me a bit of Asif. Relies on subtle movements off the seam to get batsmen out.

I hope he develops over the course of the next few years and doesn't fall by the wayside.

Very nice 3 min interview of Abbas. His ideal bowlers are Asif (i hope only the on-field parts) and Glenn McGrath. So i was right, apparently he's learnt a bit of his trade from Asif playing for Sialkot.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23631843/five-pakistan-best-test-wins-england

 

[Adders]

The strength that we have had for several years now (in England) has been our 6-7-8-9 batting. Playing Wood for Woakes largely eliminated this advantage.

And dropping Moeen.

I still don't really get why they would have left out Mo and Woakes tbh. Sure they were utter **** in Aus and Nz in the winter but they are both very different players at home. Jeez it was only last year at Lords that Mo had a MOM performance with a 10fer and 87 with the bat.

I could understand it if there were genuine other options but there really isn;t. Dunno what you do with them next time we tour but at least still try and win tests at home FFS.

 

[TheJediBrah]

And dropping Moeen.

I still don't really get why they would have left out Mo and Woakes tbh. Sure they were utter **** in Aus and Nz in the winter but they are both very different players at home. Jeez it was only last year at Lords that Mo had a MOM performance with a 10fer and 87 with the bat.

I could understand it if there were genuine other options but there really isn;t. Dunno what you do with them next time we tour but at least still try and win tests at home FFS.

Adders is agreeing with me. That can't be a good sign. England are truly ****ed

 

[Adders]

Adders is agreeing with me. That can't be a good sign. England are truly ****ed

Wait what?? Do I need to rethink my opinion here?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Wait what?? Do I need to rethink my opinion here?

Clearly

Glad I'm not the only one who notices this, pretty childish stuff from Root

Still not as bad as TPC

Does Root like up at the change room like a little b***h?

 

[Prince EWS]

And dropping Moeen.

I still don't really get why they would have left out Mo and Woakes tbh. Sure they were utter **** in Aus and Nz in the winter but they are both very different players at home. Jeez it was only last year at Lords that Mo had a MOM performance with a 10fer and 87 with the bat.

I think the idea was that they wanted to develop a side that could win away as well, instead of investing more time into players they'd lost faith in outside of favourable conditions. I can see the logic there even though I strongly disagree with it -- it doesn't just dumbfound me.

However, ultimately I think that just overestimates the player pool. England don't have the players to win series away against good opposition at the moment, and they can't fix that in a top-down selection-focused way. If they picked their best side for home conditions they'd still be a good or at least competitive side there and so they should do that.

 

[Top_Cat]

The logic of former players never ceases to amaze. The solution to a couple of awesome batting collapses is, of course, to drop one of the England’s two actual Test-match bowlers as a ‘wake-up call’.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mic...gland-pakistan-test-trevor-bayliss/2018-05-29

See the same thing whenever Aussies get dusted. ****ing batsmen, absolute protected species.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The logic of former players never ceases to amaze. The solution to a couple of awesome batting collapses is, of course, to drop one of the England’s two actual Test-match bowlers as a ‘wake-up call’.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mic...gland-pakistan-test-trevor-bayliss/2018-05-29

See the same thing whenever Aussies get dusted. ****ing batsmen, absolute protected species.

Hey it's Vaughan, what do you expect. The guy just loves to rattle the nest

 

[Black_Warrior]

The logic of former players never ceases to amaze. The solution to a couple of awesome batting collapses is, of course, to drop one of the England’s two actual Test-match bowlers as a ‘wake-up call’.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mic...gland-pakistan-test-trevor-bayliss/2018-05-29

See the same thing whenever Aussies get dusted. ****ing batsmen, absolute protected species.

It's the same problem everywhere. These former players are basically sleep walking through their jobs as analyst/commentator/writer etc. They are all stuck at the time when they retired and recycling stuff and getting paid for it. Most of them are totally unaware of the domestic scene in their countries, state of pitches, players, who's doing well, who's not, who's the young kid everyone's talking about.

The most frustrating is when a Pakistani cricketer makes his debut or is a few matches old and the other commentators ask Ramiz to provide some background and Ramiz starts with "yeah Fakhar Zaman is a bit of an unknown entity" this after Fakhar has been smashing it at the domestic scene for years

 

[Top_Cat]

Sure but, like I said, hear the same stuff with the Aussies. In the wake of another collapse, all we hear is how the current batting unit just needs to be perservered with and they’ll come good and how the 3rd bowler just isn’t working, man.

 

[S.Kennedy]

If 2018's Vaughan captained in 2005, he'd have dropped Flintoff on the eve of Edgbaston and drafted in some flimsy batsman from his own management team.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Sure but, like I said, hear the same stuff with the Aussies. In the wake of another collapse, all we hear is how the current batting unit just needs to be perservered with and they’ll come good and how the 3rd bowler just isn’t working, man.

Yeah because they can't come up with a name who can replace the out of form batsman. Teams usually have an extra seamer anyway - yeah drop Broad, pick Woakes. Easy.