The Fourth Reich: Justin Langer Appointed Australian Head Coach

[Burgey]

If Allan Border asked anyone to walk over hot coals on your **** while whistling Bohemian Rhapsody you'd ****ing well better do it.

 

[cnerd123]

If Allan Border asked anyone to walk over hot coals on your **** while whistling Bohemian Rhapsody you'd ****ing well better do it.

thinking like that is what lead to the Nazis

 

[vic_orthdox]

Justin Langer: If Allan Border had asked, I would have tampered with the ball

No surprises there. Defending Bancroft already.

From the first paragraph:

New Australia coach Justin Langer has said he would have tampered with the ball if he had been placed in the same situation that faced Cameron Bancroft in Cape Town.

And then:

"If Allan Border had asked me to tamper with the ball I would have," Langer told Channel Nine.

Firstly, the second line contradicts the first, no? And a few notes:

- Langer's describing the culture that he came into, where the captain basically had complete control over the dressing room and what would go on.
- There's little doubt that Steve Smith didn't have that - and a lot of that comes from Lehmann who predated him as coach, and also the types of characters that have traditionally dominated Australian cricket.
- There was a point where the team tried to move towards a reflection of Smith's ethos in the Indian tour of how to play cricket (on the field)...
- And then back towards the Australians of old for the Ashes (#beatEngland, ending careers, etc.), which showed that he didn't end up holding sway in the dressing, and left a vacuum.

 

[Top_Cat]

Eesh, bet Bancroft is loving being back in the news cycle at the exact moment he’s trying to get a gig.

It’s incredible that even after giving the world’s press more than they could have dreamed of in the immediate aftermath of what happened and making things harder for themselves, the Aussie heirarchy can’t bring themselves to take their lumps and shut the **** up about this. Multiple self-serving over-explanations are obvious, just let it die.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I can't believe Pat Howard's still there - reckon he can only be staying on to try and get out when it's all over and not have his name associated with it all.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Good to see Langer is leading this Australian team culture change with such resolve.

Tim Paine - we're not going to sledge.

Langer - well, sledging is fine if you stay within the line

CA - ban Bancroft for ball tampering

Langer - well I woulda done it too.

Seems like things are going to drastically change under Langer.

 

[Top_Cat]

**** me, they re-signed him.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Good to see Langer is leading this Australian team culture change with such resolve.

Tim Paine - we're not going to sledge.

Langer - well, sledging is fine if you stay within the line

CA - ban Bancroft for ball tampering

Langer - well I woulda done it too.

Seems like things are going to drastically change under Langer.

Langer - "I would have because I would be too scared not to. The difference is Allan Border would never have asked me and Bobby Simpson would have killed me.

He would have killed anyone who brought the game into disrepute. What I cannot believe is that Cameron Bancroft walked into the Australian cricket team and he was in a position where he made that decision."

But nah, same thing.

 

[Burgey]

Langer only confirming that since TOTAB retired, Cricket everywhere has gone to the shitter.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Langer - "I would have because I would be too scared not to. The difference is Allan Border would never have asked me and Bobby Simpson would have killed me.

He would have killed anyone who brought the game into disrepute. What I cannot believe is that Cameron Bancroft walked into the Australian cricket team and he was in a position where he made that decision."

But nah, same thing.

It's not just about exactly what he said or meant though. It's the headline alone that's going to get people. Giving the media way too much at a time when you really don't want to take a misstep.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Langer - "I would have because I would be too scared not to. The difference is Allan Border would never have asked me and Bobby Simpson would have killed me.

He would have killed anyone who brought the game into disrepute. What I cannot believe is that Cameron Bancroft walked into the Australian cricket team and he was in a position where he made that decision."

But nah, same thing.

So new players when in a tough position need only ask - what would Langer do?

I get your point, but Langer is not sending the right message imo.

We all have sympathy for the outrageous position that Bancroft was put in, and if not, I certainly do myself. He should not have been asked as an inferior to do the dirty work. Even CA's shorter ban length for him demonstrates this.

But what's the message here for inexperienced players when placed between a rock and a hard place by their seniors? Bancroft's career was doomed as soon as he was asked to do it.

He narks, he's on the outer. He doesn't follow orders - he's on the outer. He does it and gets caught - he's banned.

Langer could convey that message a lot better than saying he would have done it himself.

 

[Starfighter]

Good to see Langer is leading this Australian team culture change with such resolve.

Tim Paine - we're not going to sledge.

Langer - well, sledging is fine if you stay within the line

CA - ban Bancroft for ball tampering

Langer - well I woulda done it too.

Seems like things are going to drastically change under Langer.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

[vic_orthdox]

So new players when in a tough position need only ask - what would Langer do?

The behaviour asked of them by the coach and the senior players.

I get your point, but Langer is not sending the right message imo.

We all have sympathy for the outrageous position that Bancroft was put in, and if not, I certainly do myself. He should not have been asked as an inferior to do the dirty work. Even CA's shorter ban length for him demonstrates this.

But what's the message here when placed between a rock and a hard place?

The message here is that Langer wants a situation where the hard place isn't even countenanced. And that if you're a leader in his team, you wouldn't be putting pressure/showing someone else how to cheat, you'd be emphasising the fact that they cannot cheat to gain an advantage.

Now whether or not he can hold himself and his team to those standards is another issue, but that's what he's highlighting.

It might not end up being as difficult as what it was previously, with the players having seen the treatment meted out to Smith, Warner and Bancroft.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

The message here is that Langer wants a situation where the hard place isn't even countenanced. And that if you're a leader in his team, you wouldn't be putting pressure/showing someone else how to cheat, you'd be emphasising the fact that they cannot cheat to gain an advantage.

Now whether or not he can hold himself and his team to those standards is another issue, but that's what he's highlighting.

It might not end up being as difficult as what it was previously, with the players having seen the treatment meted out to Smith, Warner and Bancroft.

All Langer has to say is that it was outrageous that Bancroft was asked to do it.

End of.

We'd all agree and happily go about our day thinking yip, Langer is sending the right message to Australian cricketers.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

The behaviour asked of them by the coach and the senior players.

So when a senior player asks you to cheat, what would Langer do?

And that is the problem with the way Langer has conveyed his message.

 

[cnerd123]

So when a senior player asks you to cheat, what would Langer do?

And that is the problem with the way Langer has conveyed his message.

I thought the message Langer was trying to convey was that Border was a cheating **** whose hold on the dressing room was Hitler-esque.

Can't say I disagree

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I thought the message Langer was trying to convey was that Border was a cheating **** whose hold on the dressing room was Hitler-esque.

Can't say I disagree

I was more interested that Tubby wasn't in the leadership group but SWaugh and Healy with Boon were.

He didn't say Border was a cheat - even if Dyer was.

 

[StephenZA]

Justin Langer: If Allan Border had asked, I would have tampered with the ballNo surprises there. Defending Bancroft already.

At least he is being honestly dishonest. The worst part of the whole fiasco was the pretense of righteous indignation that Aus show towards all the other teams until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar....

 

[Mr Miyagi]

What I don't get is why they said it was sticky tape with grit?

Was that to try and draw an Atherton analogy?

 

[Daemon]

What I don't get is why they said it was sticky tape with grit?

Was that to try and draw an Atherton analogy?

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