GoodAreasShane
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To call any doubt over the Ashes is utterly moronic. Typical English sour grapes, get over yourselves.
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Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"
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flibbertyjibber
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I have had plenty seeing as my lot went top of the league and this was breaking at the same time. Doubt I will see many raindrops in Auckland.This is like Birthday and Christmas all at once..........it's only 11am but **** it I'm gonna have a beer
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think you will find it is called taking the moral high ground which you convicts do so regularly but can NEVER do again.Smith was clear at the press conference that he wasn't intending or expecting to stand down. Note that there was an hour delay before the conference, so plenty of time to discuss the issue with coach and management team.
From the Cricinfo story: ""No, I won't be considering stepping down. I still think I'm the right the person for the job," Smith said."
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Wooooosssshhhhhh.
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Imagine how salty they will be later today if English sporting hero (ignoring the fact nobody likes him) Lewis Hamilton wins the Grand Prix on one of the darkest days for Australian sport.
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But it's hard to believe it's only a one-off. Given the circumstances behind the series I can see why it would only be a one-off, but it also brings doubt over anything even remotely suspicious Australia have been involved with under Smith. The only way to get over it is by completely dismantling the leadership group and give the captaincy to someone untainted by this saga.
Think what Pakistan did post-spot fixing gate. Now spot fixing is a more serious offence than ball tampering, but in terms of public trust both in and out of Australia the effect feels very similar. After the spot fixing saga Pakistan had to appoint a 36 year old with a modest Test record and out of the team just to restore even some dignity in the side. What happened was that they went to #1 and became one of the more respected teams in world cricket. It's possible to get out of this, but given this was combined with Australia's poor on-field conduct....it's gonna take a lot of work, and may be worth losing some series for.
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zaremba
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Well let's be clear. It's true that Bancroft seems to have put sugar in his pocket during the Ashes, and I'm sure that in good time he'll come out with a perfectly good explanation of what he was up to and of how that fits with the Aussies' regard for the "Spirit of the Game". But no-one is suggesting that any ball tampering he may have done in that series changed the outcome of the series. Australia beat England convincingly and any cheating was peripheral.
So don't use faux indignation to try to distract yourself from the real issue here, which is the morality of the Australian cricket team, its captain and its "leadership group".
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flibbertyjibber
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Clearly wasn't given the footage of Bancroft putting sugar in his pocket during the ashes.
Would it have made a difference to the result? Probably not but even Mitchell Johnson was commenting on social media how he was surprised the ball was reversing so early when Australia were bowling.
All adds up and makes it look worse and also makes what was said by Smith about it being first time to be total utter bull manure.
Athlai
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This is incorrect, pretty much everything under Smith's captaincy now will be looked at under a different light.
GoodAreasShane
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Nevermind. Still strongly believe the English have absolutely no leg to stand on
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zaremba
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It was. But you are continuing to try to divert yourself from the story here. Which is about the morality of the Australian team. This is the biggest blow to that since the Chappell brothers' sneak against NZ. Even worse in some respects. If I were you, I'd be curling up in embarrassment rather that trying to go on the counter-attack.
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zaremba
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This isn't about the English. You're still doing it aren't you? Do you think that some kind of vague counter-attack will rid you of the problem facing your team?
GoodAreasShane
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Not once did I ever say I agree or condone ball tampering, I am not happy at all that the Australian team. But I completely reject the notion that this affected the Ashes result in any way shape or form whatsoever.
zaremba
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Ok mate. I don't think anyone (or anyone rational) is suggesting that it affected the Ashes result. We got our arses well and truly handed to us. And as I say, any cheating by the Australians was peripheral.
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I feel sorry for Somerset, their overseas pro next season doesn't come up to scratch.
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yeah it's awesome. i'm pretty happy this happened
i don't see how smith gets sacked. it's an 11 man team and the whole leadership group has been thrown under the bus. who you gotta appoint as captain, cameron white?