***Official*** England in New Zealand 2018

[91Jmay]

England are good, but I don't think they've played exceptionally well in the games they've won.

This and the second game were handed to them by some really poor batting in the first innings on good tracks. The third was a game we should have really won as well.

We were completely outclassed by SA and beaten by a stronger team against Aus in the T20, it isn't the case this series. This feels more like us not performing than England being a lot better than us. England haven't had to win a game, we've given it to them.

I mean, we've completely smashed you here. We've also thrown both games we've lost, think there is quite a gulf between the sides. Ross Taylor essentially papered over the cracks a little.

 

[robbypark]

England are good, but I don't think they've played exceptionally well in the games they've won.

This and the second game were handed to them by some really poor batting in the first innings on good tracks. The third was a game we should have really won as well.

We were completely outclassed by SA and beaten by a stronger team against Aus in the T20s, it isn't the case this series. This feels more like us not performing than England being a lot better than us. England haven't had to win a game, we've given it to them.

England is the best ODI side in the world right now. Period.

 

[Spark]

England are good, but I don't think they've played exceptionally well in the games they've won.

This and the second game were handed to them by some really poor batting in the first innings on good tracks. The third was a game we should have really won as well.

We were completely outclassed by SA and beaten by a stronger team against Aus in the T20s, it isn't the case this series. This feels more like us not performing than England being a lot better than us. England haven't had to win a game, we've given it to them.

If anything, this is even stronger evidence that England is a lot lot better, if they haven't had to play particularly well by their standards to win comfortably?

 

[CM Punk]

I mean, we've completely smashed you here. We've also thrown both games we've lost, think there is quite a gulf between the sides. Ross Taylor essentially papered over the cracks a little.

I thought that was the case before the series, but nah. I even had England among the favorites, but after seeing more of this England team, I'll be surprised if you make the Final next year. Any of the other favorites will knock them out, you probably know it as well.

I'm aware of our weaknesses, I actually thought we'd lose 1-4 or 0-5. The fact we pushed you this far and probably should have won this series had it not been some poor game management from Kane doesn't look great for England. Especially with one of Kane or Taylor sitting out 3 games, this series has shown how important both of them are to NZ with how fragile our middle order is.

 

[Spark]

Haha, some way to go having scored 104 off 60-odd.

 

[CM Punk]

England is the best ODI side in the world right now. Period.

See you July next year

 

[Jarquis]

Well that’s a shame, as I was hoping for a 10 wicket win

 

[Zinzan]

I thought that was the case before the series, but nah. I even had England among the favorites, but after seeing more of this England team, I'll be surprised if you make the Final next year. Any of the other favorites will knock them out

I've aware of our weaknesses, I actually thought we'd lose 1-4 or 0-5. The fact we pushed you this far and probably should have won this series had it not been some poor game management from Kane doesn't look great for England. Especially with one of Kane or Taylor sitting out 3 games.

Yeah but if absolutely everything went NZ's way, we could have won 3-2 at best, whereas if everything had gone England's way, they could have won 5-0... 4-1 would probably be a fair result and fair representation of these sides.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

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Great innings.

 

[91Jmay]

I thought that was the case before the series, but nah. I even had England among the favorites, but after seeing more of this England team, I'll be surprised if you make the Final next year. Any of the other favorites will knock them out

I've aware of our weaknesses, I actually thought we'd lose 1-4 or 0-5. The fact we pushed you this far and probably should have won this series had it not been some poor game management from Kane doesn't look great for England. Especially with one of Kane or Taylor sitting out 3 games, this series has shown how important both of them are to NZ.

I am not really sure how you can contrive the bolded, but ok.

 

[CM Punk]

Yeah but if absolutely everything went NZ's way, we could have won 3-2 at best, whereas if everything had gone England's way, they could have won 5-0... 4-1 is probably a fair result and fair representation of these sides.

Not everything went our way, all we needed is better game management from Kane to win the third. He didn't show any urgency towards the end. Even with it, 7 off 3 is very much do-able.

 

[Zinzan]

Not everything went our way, all we needed is better game management from Kane to win the third. He stuffed that chase up. Even after he got it to 7 off 3.

I said 'if' everything went our way.

 

[CM Punk]

I said 'if' everything went our way.

Yeah because our batsmen completely bombed the other two games on good surfaces.

England aren't exactly known for their bowling either, that's actually a weaker point for them. Our batsmen have simply batted really poorly this series.

This isn't one those series where you say, 'ah, we were beaten by a better side." it feels more like a missed opportunity. It's actually given me hope that this side can beat stronger sides once the under-performers are removed for more consistent players and we have both Kane and Taylor there to anchor the innings. I thought we were well below the top sides, but the gap isn't as wide as I first thought. It's either that or England just aren't as good as everyone thinks, this series for me has shown it's a bit of both.

They're a good side, but far from the runaway best side in the world. I'd still put India, Australia and Pakistan ahead of them as favorites for the WC.

 

[vandem]

Not everything went our way, all we needed is better game management from Kane to win the third. He didn't show any urgency towards the end. Even with it, 7 off 3 is very much do-able.

As do-able as defending 34 from 3 overs with Santner and Southee batting .... so both teams had one winnable match they couldn't finish off.

Has been a little like the Saffers series last summer, NZ with 2 wins from tight game and one epic solo innings, the other side clearly much better but only 3 wins.

 

[CM Punk]

As do-able as defending 34 from 3 overs with Santner and Southee batting .... so both teams had one winnable match they couldn't finish off.

Has been a little like the Saffers series last summer, NZ with 2 wins from tight game and one epic solo innings, the other side clearly much better but only 3 wins.

SA always were the stronger side, here we've won 2 out of 3 with Kane and Taylor playing. I never thought we could beat SA as their players are generally on a higher level than our players. In this series England have looked their for the taking. We've managed to push them this far with an out of sorts Guptill and on/off Taylor and Williamson who have only managed to played 3 games together this series.

 

[robbypark]

Yeah because our batsmen completely bombed the other two games on good surfaces.

England aren't exactly known for their bowling either, that's actually a weaker point for them. Our batsmen have simply batted really poorly this series.

This isn't one those series where you say, 'ah, we were beaten by a better side." it feels more like a missed opportunity. It's actually given me hope that this side can beat stronger sides once the under-performers are removed for more consistent players and we have both Kane and Taylor there to anchor the innings. I thought we were well below the top sides, but the gap isn't as wide as I first thought. It's either that or England just aren't as good as everyone thinks, this series for me has shown it's a bit of both.

They're a good side, but far from the runaway best side in the world. I'd still put India, Australia and Pakistan ahead of them as favorites for the WC.

Lol funny stuff. Australia who England pounded 4-1 in Australia without Stokes. And Pakistan who were swept by NZ who aren't anywhere near England's level.

 

[CM Punk]

As do-able as defending 34 from 3 overs with Santner and Southee batting .... so both teams had one winnable match they couldn't finish off.

Has been a little like the Saffers series last summer, NZ with 2 wins from tight game and one epic solo innings, the other side clearly much better but only 3 wins.

So you think a NZ side with Kane and Taylor together and competent players around them is clearly below England? Because we've played Kane and Taylor 3 times this series yet we've still managed to win 2 games with little else from any other batsmen. Because if we had players around them actually contributing and taking some of the pressure off them, we'd definitely be a better unit.

 

[CM Punk]

Lol funny stuff. Australia who England pounded 4-1 in Australia without Stokes. And Pakistan who were swept by NZ who aren't anywhere near England's level.

A far weaker Pakistan knocked this England team out on their way to winning the CT. They may have lost here, but they showed a lot tbh. Come WC time they will be tough to beat.

Australia are 5 time world champions and will put together a formidable XI for the WC. It's foolish to write off the Aussies when they rarely play a full strength ODI XI.

Both are tournament teams who I'd wager on beating you come crunch time, you probably would too.

It's a 4 team race between India, Australia, Pakistan and England. I put the other 3 ahead as they tend to show up for tournaments and handle the pressure, England do not. Although on paper they're stronger than India and Pakistan and about par with a full strength Australian team.

 

[vcs]

The ODI game is unpredictable and a failure in a knockout match wouldn't invalidate the progress England have made over the last couple of years.

They have weaknesses of course, but on the whole, they're a fun side to watch regardless of whether they win the World Cup. They've just got to hope they can string a few good performances together at the crunch.

They've as good a chance as anyone, that's for sure.

 

[Zinzan]

This isn't one those series where you say, 'ah, we were beaten by a better side.".

No it really is. NZ were below-par granted, but it's not hard to see that England are clearly the far superior team.