The top all-rounders (by rating)

[Zinzan]

Lol Hadn't even notice Chatfield there. I'd stopped at seeing Jeremy Coney ahead of Chris Cairns.

Chats was one of the great ODI bowlers of his era mind, with 140 wickets @ 25 & ER of 3.57, so clearly made the list purely off his bowling exploits.

 

[AndrewB]

His bowling rating got up to 892 - 6th in the all-time bowling ratings. I've no idea why his batting rating got as high as it did (about 350). I do have some doubts about the ratings for ODIs, with the top 7 in the "peak ratings" list all being from the 80s and 90s.

 

[Coronis]

An interesting question would be who had the most time at #2, either as a bowler or a batsman, without ever being #1.

 

[AndrewB]

Can u also post the list of test batsmen and bowlers who spent most of their career above 800 rankings points in batting or bowling department ? It would be very helpful.

Most days with rating over 800:

Batting rating:
6480 DG Bradman
6419 JB Hobbs
6106 GA Headley
5126 GS Sobers
4241 WR Hammond
3183 KC Sangakkara
3023 IVA Richards
2911 SR Tendulkar
2800 BC Lara
2735 JH Kallis
2563 RN Harvey
2239 RT Ponting
2220 H Sutcliffe
2197 Javed Miandad
2169 SR Waugh
2150 RB Kanhai
2139 CL Walcott
2137 ML Hayden
2119 L Hutton
1936 S Chanderpaul
1934 R Dravid
1888 AR Border
1784 ED Weekes
1765 HW Taylor
1760 AB de Villiers

Bowling:
3962 M Muralitharan
3843 WJ O'Reilly
3575 GD McGrath
3532 CEL Ambrose
3362 DW Steyn
3185 J Briggs
3108 RJ Hadlee
2854 RR Lindwall
2784 MD Marshall
2520 LR Gibbs
2419 Imran Khan
2354 SM Pollock
2123 AA Donald
2040 SK Warne
1766 J Garner
1699 Fazal Mahmood
1630 WW Hall
1611 KR Miller
1533 DK Lillee
1477 R Peel
1470 MW Tate
1415 Waqar Younis
1406 JM Anderson
1345 FS Trueman
1306 MA Holding

 

[_00_deathscar]

Most days with rating over 800:

Batting rating:
6480 DG Bradman
6419 JB Hobbs
6106 GA Headley
5126 GS Sobers
4241 WR Hammond
3183 KC Sangakkara
3023 IVA Richards
2911 SR Tendulkar
2800 BC Lara
2735 JH Kallis
2563 RN Harvey
2239 RT Ponting
2220 H Sutcliffe
2197 Javed Miandad
2169 SR Waugh
2150 RB Kanhai
2139 CL Walcott
2137 ML Hayden
2119 L Hutton
1936 S Chanderpaul
1934 R Dravid
1888 AR Border
1784 ED Weekes
1765 HW Taylor
1760 AB de Villiers

Bowling:
3962 M Muralitharan
3843 WJ O'Reilly
3575 GD McGrath
3532 CEL Ambrose
3362 DW Steyn
3185 J Briggs
3108 RJ Hadlee
2854 RR Lindwall
2784 MD Marshall
2520 LR Gibbs
2419 Imran Khan
2354 SM Pollock
2123 AA Donald
2040 SK Warne
1766 J Garner
1699 Fazal Mahmood
1630 WW Hall
1611 KR Miller
1533 DK Lillee
1477 R Peel
1470 MW Tate
1415 Waqar Younis
1406 JM Anderson
1345 FS Trueman
1306 MA Holding

That list isn't too kind on modern players who didn't have to wait about 2 years for their next test.

 

[harsh.ag]

Bradman, Hobbs, Headley, Hammond get there primarily because of the world wars, right? Not saying they wouldn't have been there otherwise.

 

[Starfighter]

Is there really a good way of accounting for elapsed time between matches? You could say 'oh take the wars out' but that would be unfair on those players when other players take breaks like, say, Boycott's mid career retirement, or Bob Simpson's comeback. I'd say maybe the number of matches above 800 is a better indicator but that favours recent players who have played more matches.

 

[Bolo]

That list isn't too kind on modern players who didn't have to wait about 2 years for their next test.

Seems like a good list to me? Swap out a couple of names on each list and you could easily claim this as top 25 of all time in each discipline.

Most notable absence in my eyes is Wasim, even though I think he's a bit overated.

 

[sunilz]

Seems like a good list to me? Swap out a couple of names on each list and you could easily claim this as top 25 of all time in each discipline.

Most notable absence in my eyes is Wasim, even though I think he's a bit overated.

Batting : Sunil Gavaskar and Greg Chappell.

 

[Bolo]

Wasn't Gavaskar up and down a lot? Would explain his absence.

I have it in mind that Chappell was one of the most consistent batsman around, but I'm not really sure.

 

[aussie tragic]

Chappell (and Lillee) would have reduced ratings due to WSC, as your rating drops for every match you miss. So they would have had to build there 1977 rating up again after 1979

 

[AndrewB]

Batting : Sunil Gavaskar and Greg Chappell.

Gavaskar is 36th with 1162 days over 800 (mostly of them 1979-1982).
Chappell is 47th with 860 days over 800 (about 600 in 1975-1977; the rest in 1981-1982).

 

[AndrewB]

Also maybe of interest: the batsmen and bowlers who were rated #1 by the widest margins. Lists give the #1 player, margin, date achieved, #2 player at the time and their ratings.


.1..........JB.Hobbs..238..(1921-01-18).......W.Bardsley.(937.to.699)
.2............C.Hill..205..(1902-11-12)...Hon.FS.Jackson.(886.to.681)
.3........DG.Bradman..191..(1935-01-28).......GA.Headley.(960.to.769)
.4.........GS.Sobers..149..(1960-12-20)........RN.Harvey.(933.to.784)
.5.......C.Bannerman..149..(1877-03-19)...........H.Jupp.(447.to.298)
.6..........G.Ulyett..141..(1882-09-01).....PS.McDonnell.(628.to.487)
.7......A.Shrewsbury..139..(1888-08-17)..........WW.Read.(699.to.560)
.8......IVA.Richards..127..(1977-03-16)......GS.Chappell.(933.to.806)
.9..........SR.Waugh..121..(1996-12-30)..........BC.Lara.(894.to.773)
10.........GM.Turner..116..(1974-04-03).........DL.Amiss.(845.to.729)
11..........L.Hutton..107..(1951-08-20)........AD.Nourse.(935.to.828)
12..........AG.Steel..105..(1884-07-25).........G.Ulyett.(677.to.572)
13..........GA.Gooch..100..(1992-07-27)....RB.Richardson.(873.to.773)
14........RT.Ponting...99..(2006-06-06)........JH.Kallis.(931.to.832)
15........KD.Walters...95..(1970-12-01)........GS.Sobers.(897.to.802)
16.........J.Darling...92..(1898-03-02).......FA.Iredale.(753.to.661)
17.......SM.Gavaskar...91..(1979-01-28).....IVA.Richards.(872.to.781)
18.....RB.Richardson...89..(1991-03-27).........GA.Gooch.(838.to.749)
19..........WG.Grace...84..(1880-09-10)......Lord.Harris.(436.to.352)
20.....Javed.Miandad...84..(1989-02-28)....DB.Vengsarkar.(885.to.801)

.1.........SF.Barnes..348..(1914-02-18)......GA.Faulkner.(932.to.584)
.2...........MW.Tate..310..(1929-01-02).......AP.Freeman.(852.to.542)
.3.......WJ.O'Reilly..207..(1946-04-02).........WE.Bowes.(901.to.694)
.4......FR.Spofforth..179..(1879-01-06).........T.Emmett.(437.to.258)
.5..........C.Blythe..175..(1909-05-31).........MA.Noble.(815.to.640)
.6.......RR.Lindwall..171..(1948-08-18)......WA.Johnston.(830.to.659)
.7.........GE.Palmer..149..(1884-12-16).....FR.Spofforth.(797.to.648)
.8.......CV.Grimmett..144..(1934-06-12)......WJ.O'Reilly.(821.to.677)
.9.........IT.Botham..142..(1979-12-20)........Kapil.Dev.(897.to.755)
10..........W.Rhodes..141..(1905-07-28).........MA.Noble.(808.to.667)
11........JM.Gregory..133..(1921-11-16)........AA.Mailey.(730.to.597)
12.........H.Trumble..125..(1902-08-15).........MA.Noble.(891.to.766)
13..........J.Briggs..116..(1899-02-18)........H.Trumble.(695.to.579)
14......DL.Underwood..116..(1971-03-09)..........JA.Snow.(907.to.791)
15........TK.Kendall..113..(1877-04-04).....J.Lillywhite.(384.to.271)
16.........DK.Lillee..112..(1975-12-02).........LR.Gibbs.(851.to.739)
17..........DW.Steyn..111..(2010-02-10).......MG.Johnson.(891.to.780)
18.......MD.Marshall..104..(1990-07-30).........CA.Walsh.(862.to.758)
19.....M.Muralidaran..102..(2007-12-05)..........M.Ntini.(910.to.808)
20........Imran.Khan..100..(1983-08-29).......RGD.Willis.(922.to.822)

 

[Victor Ian]

Due to the exponential nature of the ratings I'm not so sure it shows what it first appears to.

 

[Victor Ian]

I can't believe that Steve Waugh one where lara is second best bat with only 773

 

[AndrewB]

Lara had just scored 26, 44, 2, 1, 2, 2 in a series in Australia, and dropped over 100 rating points.

If you look at the top 20 #1s by ratio between 1st and 2nd (instead of by gap), you get similar lists but even more favouring early players (Bannerman and Spofforth go to the top).

 

[a massive zebra]

Amazing job, AndrewB! Very impressive work collating all this data and then analysing it to produce such pertinent stats.

 

[Victor Ian]

Lara had just scored 26, 44, 2, 1, 2, 2 in a series in Australia, and dropped over 100 rating points.

If you look at the top 20 #1s by ratio between 1st and 2nd (instead of by gap), you get similar lists but even more favouring early players (Bannerman and Spofforth go to the top).

Take the gap of that Bradman one that is third or so on your list. In reality that gap is the biggest because those couple of points to get from, say, 958 to 960 are an absurd amount of runs. Neither ratio nor number express who has the largest gap with an exponential scale. Until you remove the exponent, I don't think you can do this.

As Zebra says, it's mighty fine work, though.

 

[AndrewB]

I see what you mean.
Not sure if there's any mathematical validity to it, but if you look at the gap for 1000/(1000-rating), rather than rating, you get a maybe more convincing list:


.1........DG.Bradman..20.67..(1935-01-28).......GA.Headley.(960.to.769)
.2..........JB.Hobbs..13.45..(1912-08-23).......W.Bardsley.(942.to.736)
.3.........GS.Sobers..10.95..(1968-08-26)........RB.Kanhai.(937.to.797)
.4..........L.Hutton..10.05..(1954-04-03)........ED.Weekes.(945.to.877)
.5......IVA.Richards..10.03..(1981-03-31)......GS.Chappell.(938.to.836)
.6........RT.Ponting...8.54..(2006-06-06)........JH.Kallis.(931.to.832)
.7.........ML.Hayden...8.14..(2002-11-11).....SR.Tendulkar.(935.to.862)
.8.........SPD.Smith...7.87..(2016-12-30)..........V.Kohli.(937.to.875)
.9....AB.de.Villiers...7.12..(2014-02-24)....KC.Sangakkara.(935.to.879)
10...........PBH.May...6.20..(1956-08-27)........ED.Weekes.(941.to.907)
11.......SM.Gavaskar...5.65..(1979-09-03)....Javed.Miandad.(916.to.840)
12............C.Hill...5.64..(1902-11-12)...Hon.FS.Jackson.(886.to.681)
13........CL.Walcott...5.49..(1955-06-15)........RN.Harvey.(938.to.906)
14........KD.Walters...5.28..(1970-01-26).........WM.Lawry.(908.to.821)
15..........SR.Waugh...5.03..(1996-12-30)..........BC.Lara.(894.to.773)
16...........BC.Lara...4.80..(1999-10-04).........SR.Waugh.(907.to.832)
17.....KF.Barrington...4.68..(1965-07-12)........RB.Kanhai.(914.to.856)
18.........RN.Harvey...3.77..(1954-12-21)........ED.Weekes.(916.to.877)
19......SR.Tendulkar...3.77..(2001-06-11).........A.Flower.(896.to.829)
20.....Javed.Miandad...3.67..(1989-02-28)....DB.Vengsarkar.(885.to.801)


.1.........SF.Barnes..12.30..(1914-02-18)......GA.Faulkner.(932.to.584)
.2........GA.Lohmann...7.88..(1896-03-25).........J.Briggs.(930.to.844)
.3........Imran.Khan...7.20..(1983-08-29).......RGD.Willis.(922.to.822)
.4.......WJ.O'Reilly...6.83..(1946-04-02).........WE.Bowes.(901.to.694)
.5....M.Muralitharan...6.51..(2007-10-12)..........M.Ntini.(920.to.833)
.6......DL.Underwood...5.97..(1971-03-09)..........JA.Snow.(907.to.791)
.7.........IT.Botham...5.63..(1979-12-20)........Kapil.Dev.(897.to.755)
.8..........DW.Steyn...5.34..(2015-04-17).....HMRKB.Herath.(905.to.807)
.9.........H.Trumble...4.90..(1902-08-15).........MA.Noble.(891.to.766)
10...........MW.Tate...4.57..(1929-01-02).......AP.Freeman.(852.to.542)
11.......WA.Johnston...4.44..(1952-01-04)......RR.Lindwall.(900.to.820)
12.........RJ.Hadlee...4.35..(1988-01-15)......MD.Marshall.(905.to.838)
13...........WW.Hall...4.28..(1963-02-27).........LR.Gibbs.(898.to.819)
14........GD.McGrath...4.28..(2005-07-25)....M.Muralidaran.(905.to.840)
15.......RR.Lindwall...4.24..(1954-11-30)........AV.Bedser.(897.to.817)
16..........JC.Laker...4.24..(1956-08-27)......HJ.Tayfield.(897.to.817)
17.......AK.Davidson...4.07..(1961-01-17)....Fazal.Mahmood.(908.to.853)
18.........DK.Lillee...3.99..(1977-03-22)..........BS.Bedi.(884.to.784)
19..........GAR.Lock...3.90..(1958-08-25).........JC.Laker.(912.to.866)
20.......CV.Grimmett...3.90..(1932-02-02)..........MW.Tate.(868.to.728)

 

[sunilz]

You are doing a fabulous job. You should start ur own thread only for analysis realated to ICC ratings.

Request: Both Sehwag and Gilchrist have identical ODI record. Can u tell me who spent more matches or days above 650 ICC batting rating in ODI. Just want to check who was more consistent.