***Official*** 2nd Test at Adelaide

[Starfighter]

Anderson, J M	England	2	93.0	24	194	8	5/43	1	0	24.25	69.75	2.09
Cummins, P J	Australia	2	72.4	20	184	7	3/85	0	0	26.29	62.29	2.53

It's been a while since we've seen strike rate / economy rate comparisons like this.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, I really like that the D/N matches make captains have to think a bit more about these sorts of things rather than simply batting on in a day game, which I'm sure TPC would have done. Adds an extrra element to the game, and really emphasizes risk/ reward options.

 

[stephen]

Oh and that b. Cummins was so ***y.

 

[Cow]

You know, maybe you're the real victim of this thread.

You could be right.

 

[Cow]

Yeah, I really like that the D/N matches make captains have to think a bit more about these sorts of things rather than simply batting on in a day game, which I'm sure TPC would have done. Adds an extrra element to the game, and really emphasizes risk/ reward options.

Yeah. I'm hoping to see more Day/Night games at Trent Bridge and maybe the Oval in England.

 

[Cow]

Back to the first innings declaration.

There are two things that need to be considered when declaring a first innings like this. Obviously time remaining in the test is not one of them. The thing that really needs to be weighed up is this: are the runs that we make going to outweigh the runs that will be saved by taking extra wickets under lights?

The freak rain obviously affected the decision and made it look worse than it was.

But if Australia had have had two hours under lights with the new ball and taken 4/60, dismissing Cook, Stoneman, Vince and Root. We're talking about saving probably 150 runs in total. Not only that but we give ourselves the luxury of having more time to bat in the second innings, which grinds their team down and gives our bowlers a break.

How many could we realistically expect to make with two wickets in hand? If we bat out half the remaining time in the evening and make say 50-60 runs and got England 2-30 at the end of the night with Root and Cook still at the crease for the next day, we've effectively cost ourselves 100 runs and given ourselves less time to bat in the second innings.

When you look at it from that perspective, the declaration was a good decision that was unfortunately made to look bad by a freak weather occurrence.

The decision to bat again was designed to make runs as early in the match as possible to put the game out of England's reach. Batting on day 5 at the Adelaide Oval has always been difficult, even before the d/n test came along. We were probably 50 runs short of entirely batting England out of the game. Jimmy Anderson had an uncharacteristically great performance away from home and I think it's unreasonable to have expected the ball to misbehave as much as it did (Broad was swinging/seaming it a mile too but was bowling a terrible line and length).

We still should win this but Australia's biggest mistake was not the declaration or not enforcing the follow on. Australia's biggest mistake was bowling rubbish to the tail when we had England 7/140. This let the tail being the deficit down to just over 200, which let England give themselves a shot by bowling out of their skin and dismissing us for 130 odd (which was realistically the most runs that they could let us have if they were to be a shot at winning).

Calling Smith's decisions bad fails to look at the context of those decisions and that the real issue is with our batting lineup crumbling in the second innings.

So much pigshit in this post.

 

[S.Kennedy]

If Smith enforced the follow-on, England would probably be 150/7 right now chasing some ungodly total. A morning session (or whatever it is called in these day-nighters) to skittle out the batting brilliance of Broad and Anderson and the Australians would have freed up the two later sessions to put their feet up and watch their Neighbours. Nothing is going to convince me that that decision was an absolute shocker. I couldn't believe it at the time when they came out to bat, and well...

...the present situation: England, completely outplayed for the entire match with an unexpected snifter!

 

[Cow]

That will put Root on about 150 which Is a big ask given the conditions and context of the game.

Someone else like Bairstow needs to chip in with a big 50 for England to scrape over the line I reckon.

Root won't score 90 runs on his own in one session unless Starc is bowling from both ends.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Yeah. I'm hoping to see more Day/Night games at Trent Bridge and maybe the Oval in England.

It doesn't quite work as well in England because of the fact it is still light until 9:30 (you could just as well play with the red ball until comparatively late!) and the drop in temperatures. Bring your thermals.

 

[GotSpin]

I still maintain batting again wasn't that bad. Bowling to the tail so poorly in the first innings was the real issue. We should have rolled them for 150 and the match would have been won there

 

[stephen]

So much pigshit in this post.

Care to actually refute the points instead of insulting me? Some of your posts are funny but this was low effort drivel.

 

[Cow]

It doesn't quite work as well in England because of the fact it is still light until 9:30 (you could just as well play with the red ball until comparatively late!) and the drop in temperatures. Bring your thermals.

mid August it might work... sunset at 7 ish and night time might not be as cold as in June

 

[stephen]

I still maintain batting again wasn't that bad. Bowling to the tail so poorly in the first innings was the real issue. We should have rolled them for 150 and the match would have been won there

Absolutely. We let them back into the game with that. If we had a 290 run lead instead of 200, collapsing to a team total of 130 wouldn't have mattered.

 

[quincywagstaff]

I reckon the Australian pace attack’s performance has been a bit overrated this series with the exception of Cummins who probably deserves better series figures than he has to date. I reckon their flaws have been covered up by Lyon somehow managing to be both a strike and stock bowler and what is a pretty modest English batting lineup.

Starc’s series bowling figures are good but I think he’s been only intermittently impressive; he’s generally been blah with the new ball and to go for over 5 an over yesterday in a match which has rarely been scoring at 3 was ordinary.
Hazlewood seemed to be getting progressively better after an ordinary start in Brisbane but he was largely disappointing yesterday and in fact has been in a bit of a rut recently (6 wickets at 58 in last 5 Tests). Sure, 3 of those were in Asia but Cummins was much more effective in the same conditions.

Having said that, I still think Australia will win this fairly comfortably and winning the Ashes makes one forget about team weaknesses (which both sides have a lot of).

 

[Cow]

was a good decision that was unfortunately made to look bad by a freak weather occurrence.

Jimmy Anderson had an uncharacteristically great performance away from home

I think it's unreasonable to have expected the ball to misbehave as much as it did

Calling Smith's decisions bad fails to look at the context of those decisions

All this. Absolute pornographic filth.

 

[GotSpin]

All this. Absolute Rolf Harris'esq filth.

wtf mate

 

[GotSpin]

I reckon the Australian pace attack’s performance has been a bit overrated this series with the exception of Cummins who probably deserves better series figures than he has to date. I reckon their flaws have been covered up by Lyon somehow managing to be both a strike and stock bowler and what is a pretty modest English batting lineup.

Starc’s series bowling figures are good but I think he’s been only intermittently impressive; he’s generally been blah with the new ball and to go for over 5 an over yesterday in a match which has rarely been scoring at 3 was ordinary.
Hazlewood seemed to be getting progressively better after an ordinary start in Brisbane but he was largely disappointing yesterday and in fact has been in a bit of a rut recently (6 wickets at 58 in last 5 Tests). Sure, 3 of those were in Asia but Cummins was much more effective in the same conditions.

Having said that, I still think Australia will win this fairly comfortably and winning the Ashes makes one forget about team weaknesses (which both sides have a lot of).

I don't think Hazlewood is bowling too badly but Lyon is comfortably the pick of the bowlers for mine

 

[Cow]

Implying that other members of this board are pedophiles is pretty much ban-worthy. I'm not a mod but this is cancerous stuff.

im implying that it is 100% wrong.

edit - but for the sake of confusion I will change the post.

 

[Cow]

All this excitement might end very quickly if Root falls across his stumps early.

 

[stephen]

im implying that it is 100% wrong.

edit - but for the sake of confusion I will change the post.

Ignoring the insult, you still haven't addressed the points.