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*** Official*** South Africa in England 2017

flibbertyjibber

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Still a pretty good surface to bat on most of the time. De Kock so dangerous, he has to bat top 5 for SA.
In much the same way as us with Bairstow it is managing the workload in a way that is best for the team. It may take a couple of years to get it right for both sides.

Hard on the guy if the top order flop and they walk out at 30-3 after they have kept for 100 overs+
 

91Jmay

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You can't build your side around the idea you are going to be 30-3 though. That is literally so defeatist
 

harsh.ag

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Being seven down really gives QdK licence to hit out and go for runs. Which may turn out to be the best thing for SA.
 

Adders

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When you see a bloke as good as de Kock coming out at 8 though?? Makes a farce of the nightwatchman and the fact he's at 7 in the first place.......crazy imo.
 

harsh.ag

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When you see a bloke as good as de Kock coming out at 8 though?? Makes a farce of the nightwatchman and the fact he's at 7 in the first place.......crazy imo.
This is like when SA had Klusener come in at number 10 vs Australia in a test match once :happy:

Behind McMillan and Pollock. Scary batting line up that.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
If Philander is out then this series is ****ed and if we win it it's gonna to be a very very hollow victory.
 

OverratedSanity

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If Philander is out then this series is ****ed and if we win it it's gonna to be a very very hollow victory.
Well the last time SA lost their best fast bowler midway through the first test of a big tour, with them already way behind in the test, it worked out ok for them.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Imagine if Anderson, Broad, Hazelwood or Starc copped a suspension like that during the Ashes.

**** that.

Was there a public pronouncement after the heated Aus/India series that there'd be a harder line taken?

How loud was it? I've only seen the GIF. I'm against send offs, but it's not like he went up into his grill to say it to him. A general "**** off" as you dismiss the batsman is fine.
If any of them repeatedly carried on like idiots during the series then it would be merited.
 

Adders

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Well the last time SA lost their best fast bowler midway through the first test of a big tour, with them already way behind in the test, it worked out ok for them.
They are going to be missing 3 of not just their best bowlers, but the best bowlers in the world next test.

No team can deal with that.
 
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Furball

Evil Scotsman
Please. Again, go by the book all you want, but then don't expect not to be called brainless.

Equating saying it to a player with saying it to an official. Talk about not having played an actual game before.

Not acceptable only if it is meant. Like when you get into someone's face and you say it because you mean it. If you take a wicket and say "**** off" as the player is passing by, which is what happened here, it doesn't have anything to do with the meaning of those words.

Fine at best. But giving a point when you know it makes him miss the next test makes you an administrative dumbass.
That's Rabada's fault for being on 3 points in the first place.
 

flibbertyjibber

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They'll probably pull out another great fast bowler from their backside like they usually do.
Well the ones in the touring squad would be a huge surprise if they did anything that special so it would have to be someone from home or a random bloke playing club cricket over here.
 

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