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*Official* English Football Season 2016-17
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Scaly piscine
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He's played in around half of the matches since his debut. Don't let facts get in the way of tedious point scoring though.
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Barkley really needed to engineer a move away from Everton two or three years ago. His movement and decision-making just hasn't improved at all, which is partly his fault but also the result of playing under a string of mediocre coaches. He could have been a pretty serious player after a year or two under Klopp or Pochettino.
That said, I don't recall anyone especially being properly interested. Probably a reason for that.
That said, I don't recall anyone especially being properly interested. Probably a reason for that.
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On a related topic, I think the recent hot takes about the Klopp/Guardiola coaching model of co-ordinated attacking making everything else obsolete are a bit counter-factual. Tight defences and improvisational attacking play are making a comeback- Conte, Zidane, Ranieri, Ancellotti hardly seem to coach combination play at all. Citeh and Liverpool are clearly suffering in other areas, and Dortmund, despite being beautiful to watch, are fourth.
OTOH, they do seem to get first dibs on the world's best young players. Can see why when so many go there and vastly improve.
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Haha I thought of you as soon as I saw the headline, funnily enough.
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Interestingly it was Barkley's movement that really stood out for me when I saw him in the flesh 3 years ago. It was his decision making that was the one attribute that really let him down but that's the one thing you'd expect to improve with more experience.
Dortmund's issue I think stems from the players they lost in summer. Hummels, Gundogan and Mkhitaryan all departing in one summer are going to be tough to replace, particularly when you're then replacing them with young up and coming talent.
My worry for Dortmund is that they're turning into what Arsenal were about 10 years ago - a great club to go and learn your trade, not a club you want to be at if you want to win medals.
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Angry ginger Jock threatens to smack a woman, nothing new.
Cabinet96
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Having watched Wenger teams for years I'd basically concluded that it was 100% the best way but I'm starting to have doubts too. I think there are definitely arguments to be made that, particularly when you have world class players, you can actually over coach them a bit. Interesting that Thiago is having the best season of his career in his first year away from Pep/Tito. Maybe a player like him, who's learnt the skills but been given freedom as well, is just the perfect balance though.
Not sure I agree about Conte when it comes to combination play though. Chelsea do those in to out and back in combinations with the wing backs to progress play that look so automatic they must be drilled meticulously on the training ground.
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Yeah maybe. My impression of Chelsea is that they're built to click into dangerous positions when they win the ball back. Kante basically lets them leave three up for the counter. But I might be biased by only watching them in big games.
I'd have said his Juve teams gave quite a lot of freedom to players too. The common thread seems to be identifying his players with special talents then building a system to get the best out of them.
I'd have said his Juve teams gave quite a lot of freedom to players too. The common thread seems to be identifying his players with special talents then building a system to get the best out of them.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
RE long suffering fans, looked it up and with Cov's win it is as follows
1= Tranmere/Oldham 26 years (that's up to the end of the season so with a bit of luck we won't actually quite make it that far...)
3 Everton 22 years
4 villa 21 years
5 Forest Green/Lincoln/Macc 18 years
At least Everton are up there
1= Tranmere/Oldham 26 years (that's up to the end of the season so with a bit of luck we won't actually quite make it that far...)
3 Everton 22 years
4 villa 21 years
5 Forest Green/Lincoln/Macc 18 years
At least Everton are up there
Magrat Garlick
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Still a while to go to the longest streak all time though. E.g. Newport County managed a streak from 1939 to 1980 (yes they didn't even manage to win a trophy in Wales).
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Can't believe 1995 was 22 years ago. Dear God.
Although it's really only 10 or so years if you remember that 4th place is a trophy.