***Official*** Australia in India 2017

[OverratedSanity]

Yea.


Tendulkar had all the skill but he did fair amount of downhill skiing. And was often criticised for his **** performances under pressure, it was a habit of his to not perform in those big moments.

And in this series Smith did something similar. He did well but not nearly well enough given his stature as the best batsman by far.

So basically, to impress you, Smith had to both deliver in thr first and second innings of every game.

It's admirable you have high standards I suppose.

 

[ImpatientLime]

So basically, to impress you, Smith had to both deliver in thr first and second innings of every game.

It's admirable you have high standards I suppose.

yeah it would be interesting to know who he does rate.

 

[Spark]

"He already had an ATG-standard series, but what he actually had to do was become literally Bradman plus. Also, learn how to play balls that roll along the ground."

 

[Spikey]

see this is what smith needed to do, he had to, when off strike, run in with the bowler and get down to the other side of the pitch and hit the ball before the actual on strike batsman could **** up

 

[Gob]

tbf i feel very underwhelmed whenever he makes less than 100 these days.

 

[Shri]

And hit three sixes in the match.

Three BACK TO BACK sixes by Dravid.

 

[centurymaker]

Think about how stupidly unfair this is.

It is what it is.

Who gets blamed, Ronaldo or his team mates?

It's Ronaldo who takes most of the criticism because he is more capable. He is expected to win the game. He may have scored 1 goal already and the score might be 1-1 but if he fails to put away a match winning opportunity, the drawn result is largely put on him.

Glass half empty, or glass 25% empty in Smith's case as opposed to 75% full.

 

[Spark]

Except the comparison is extremely stupid as football and cricket are not even remotely similar in how individuals can shape the game.

One person can win a football match. One person, no matter how good, cannot win a cricket match by definition. If your batting partners are all incompetent, as was the case in Dharmasala and Ranchi (to a lesser extent), there is almost nothing you can do about it other than watch forlornly because that is literally beyond your control.

 

[Shri]

Yeah this is getting embarrassing.

 

[Burner]

One person also can't win a football match no matter how good they are. Don't know what football matches you've been watching.

 

[Spark]

One person also can't win a football match no matter how good they are. Don't know what football matches you've been watching.

I'm thinking like a 90th minute wonder free kick tbf. Obviously you have "contributions" from everyone.

 

[harsh.ag]

It is what it is.

Who gets blamed, Ronaldo or his team mates?

It's Ronaldo who takes most of the criticism because he is more capable. He is expected to win the game. He may have scored 1 goal already and the score might be 1-1 but if he fails to put away a match winning opportunity, the drawn result is largely put on him.

Glass half empty, or glass 25% empty in Smith's case as opposed to 75% full.

This is done by people who aren't fans of football but basically hero-worshippers. Now that may be a large segment of the populace, but why would you associate your own opinion with that? You're not obliged to tweak your opinion to meet those of such fans. Or are you saying you are one of them? Are you like the Sachin hero-worshippers? They didn't care about cricket, just about Sachin leading India to victory. Do you really think people who are fans of cricket will not find this view unreasonable and wrong?

 

[Shri]

One person also can't win a football match no matter how good they are. Don't know what football matches you've been watching.

Materazzi took on Zidane and got him kicked out of a WC final. Its all about perspective.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Except the comparison is extremely stupid as football and cricket are not even remotely similar in how individuals can shape the game.

One person can win a football match. One person, no matter how good, cannot win a cricket match by definition. If your batting partners are all incompetent, as was the case in Dharmasala and Ranchi (to a lesser extent), there is almost nothing you can do about it other than watch forlornly because that is literally beyond your control.

This assertion is extremely contentious at best.

EDIT: Sorry hadn't seen later post.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah, the criticism Ronaldo gets is equally ridiculous.

The only major team sport where one player can almost, (but still not quite) singlehandedly win a game is basketball, but that isn't a sport for men so who cares.

Genuine question to centurymaker : what then do you consider yo be a truly great series performance? Give specific examples which fit the ridiculously harsh parameters you've set.

 

[Spark]

This assertion is extremely contentious at best.

EDIT: Sorry hadn't seen later post.

Yeah I'm thinking more like in a figurative and exaggerated sense of "won", not literally "they were the only person responsible". The point here is that there are large and critical parts of the game that a top order batsman has absolutely no influence over.

 

[Shri]

Yeah it doesn't matter if Oliver Kahn saves every penalty in a shootout when your strikers can't slot one in either.

 

[Spark]

Yeah, the criticism Ronaldo gets is equally ridiculous.

The only major team sport where one player can almost, (but still not quite) singlehandedly win a game is basketball, but that isn't a sport for men so who cares.

Genuine question to centurymaker : what then do you consider yo be a truly great series performance? Give specific examples which fit the ridiculously harsh parameters to be set.

Brad Haddin in the Ashes 2013/14? Pretty much any time Aus desperately needed someone to make runs, Haddin was there.

 

[Spark]

Yeah it doesn't matter if Oliver Kahn saves every penalty in a shootout when your strikers can't slot one in either.

stop blowing holes in my questionable analogy ffs

 

[Shri]

stop blowing holes in my questionable analogy ffs

Shri forever Sparky never.