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***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2016/17
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
yeah I know, which is why I think its lame. He's taking a potshot, rather than giving a proper opinion that he genuinely believes. He's just extending his agenda.
vic_orthdox
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Much prefer to see Starc going over the wicket to the left hander with that tail back in.
Blocky
Banned
Agree, I hate anyone who tries to character assassinate Steve Waugh, that guy took talent and turned it into a relentless death squad that would hunt victory every single time they played, yeah, he had McGrath, Gillespie and Warne at the peak of their powers, but he also turned up more often than not for his team and made **** happen.
Probably my favorite cricketer of all time.
Burgey
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He didn't like him because he was preferred as captain. Before that they were fine.
vic_orthdox
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The Chapelli-Tugga dynamic obviously played a role there too.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
sorry I was supposed to write bowling first
Blocky
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Regardless of the off field ****, and as good as his brain is for tactics, I think Warne would have been a huge problem as captain of Australia, he would have played favorites like no ones business.
Waugh was the perfect captain to take that talent and make it relentless, and the hallmark of his team got Punter through much of his era, but it's telling that despite having some pretty rare talent since (Warner, Khawaja, Smith, Clarke, Starc, Johnson, Haze, Pattinson), Australia hasn't even looked close to being what they were in that era, even when Warne went missing for diuretics.
McGrath is a big part of that, but I also think it's the culture the team built under Waugh. They were good under Border, great under Taylor but ****ing phenomenal under Waugh.
Waugh was the perfect captain to take that talent and make it relentless, and the hallmark of his team got Punter through much of his era, but it's telling that despite having some pretty rare talent since (Warner, Khawaja, Smith, Clarke, Starc, Johnson, Haze, Pattinson), Australia hasn't even looked close to being what they were in that era, even when Warne went missing for diuretics.
McGrath is a big part of that, but I also think it's the culture the team built under Waugh. They were good under Border, great under Taylor but ****ing phenomenal under Waugh.
vic_orthdox
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The other thing with having Lyon on, is that you can use the quicks in small three over bursts to properly attack.
quincywagstaff
International Debutant
Reckon it was due to West Indies in 1999 when Steve Waugh as selector decided to go with MacGill over Warne for final Test.
Blocky
Banned
I don't mind the tactic of bowling the quicks at Amir, let's not forget he's looked pretty comfortable in this series against Lyon.
I think you give them a few overs (which did get the wicket) before going back to Lyon to finish the day, while alternating attack at the other end. While you might say that Lyon's wickets today means he should be bowling, take a look at how those wickets were given, they weren't exactly him ripping the ball past a defensive batsman.
I think you give them a few overs (which did get the wicket) before going back to Lyon to finish the day, while alternating attack at the other end. While you might say that Lyon's wickets today means he should be bowling, take a look at how those wickets were given, they weren't exactly him ripping the ball past a defensive batsman.
dontcloseyoureyes
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Warne is the Trump of cricket commentary.
Burgey
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Because the other blokes aren't getting them out.
morgieb
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Probably because he took 3 top-order wickets.
Think we've missed a trick by going to our quicks first. Given how well their tail's batted this series it might get hard to force a result now.
vic_orthdox
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Well, yeah. But also, the fact that these guys can play aggressively (and prefer to) can play into Lyon's hands. Not the best first over, though.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
haha, very good