*Official* Bangladesh in New Zealand 2016/2017

[jonbrooks]

Majority of BD's losses since around 2011 have been self-inflicted.

Talent wise they have what it takes to compete at this level.

Nah not at all. I don't think they're a very talented team. They're hard working and definitely apply themselves but aside from Shakib they're a pretty ordinary team.

 

[cnerd123]

Nah not at all. I don't think they're a very talented team. They're hard working and definitely apply themselves but aside from Shakib they're a pretty ordinary team.

Yea but as has been well established on this forum, what you think doesn't matter.

 

[Jono]

Well Bangladesh just did a Black Caps in the 3rd CH ODI in Melbourne recently. They did all the hard work in restricting NZ, got off to a reasonable enough start and then folded like only the Black Caps can. Still a win is a win I guess.

How does NZ fold more than Pakistan, Bangladesh and West Indies?

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Jeetan Patel called up for the third ODI because Bangers have lots of left handers.

 

[Flem274*]

wheeler is another swing bowler who gets tonked in List A and Wagner's bouncer/yorker diet would be and has proven at lower levels to be a very high ER affair

just an fyi

this series has been dire. didn't see much of this game but i saw all the first and neither team is playing anywhere near their best cricket.

 

[Mike5181]

Jesus, I never realised Wheeler's List A stats were so bad. He's barely played and when he has - he's been ****.

 

[centurymaker]

Thats a typical Bangla-choke, & you can usually count on it when they're looking likely to have a solid win..

 

[centurymaker]

Majority of BD's losses since around 2011 have been self-inflicted.

Talent wise they have what it takes to compete at this level. They're not longer being routinely outclassed each game. They're just imploding. Dumb shots, bowling rubbish under pressure, missing crucial chances in the field.

And it's just one of those things that so deeply embedded in the team culture, kinda like choking at world events for SA or losing to India in world events for Pakistan. The only way to break it is by actually breaking it, and till that day comes they'll keep on putting performances like this.
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Quite right. Hmmm

They lack mental toughness.

And IMO are easily over-excited & overjoyed by a win..whenever that comes about, rather than being simply pleased and seeing it as something normal. What that implies is that they still lack total belief in their ability.

They may have raw talent to compete, but it's not enough when you lack the mental side of things.

 

[centurymaker]

Having said that, even talent wise, they are not much more than an ordinary side ..i.e. they are still below average as a team..
Sounds harsh, but is more or less a reality when you compare them player by player to the other nations.

 

[Shri]

You can take them out of Pakistan, but you can't take the Pakistan out of them

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

I can write 1000 paragraphs on this BD team but if you are not going to help yourself, nobody can. We have been throwing games away like it's a joke. Without watching the game, I can imagine how they fell away chasing this. That's the state of this team.

 

[Moss]

And IMO are easily over-excited & overjoyed by a win..whenever that comes about, rather than being simply pleased and seeing it as something normal. What that implies is that they still lack total belief in their ability.

They may have raw talent to compete, but it's not enough when you lack the mental side of things.

Totally agree with this, that T20 WC game against India is a rather damning reminder.

Disagree that they are ordinary talent wise though. Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mashrafe and Fizz are all quality and would make it into most limited over sides of other teams.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

who in his right mind would pick tanbir or tanvir whatever is his name instead of nasir? what a ****ing joke

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Too much experimentation is hurting us badly. I am not opposed to the idea of making Chandika a member of selectors but he is losing the plot a bit. He is one of the main reasons that we are competitive now and there's no denying. Credit goes to him but recently while sitting at the helm of things, he's making too much changes. He deserves a bit of criticism. He did not like Anamul and Anamul disappeared somehow despite his good records in ODIs. He did not like Nasir and couldn't insta banish him because he was one of the main stay back then. He persisted with craps like Hom for long time. Soumya needed a break. NCL is going on here and he should be playing NCL to regain his form and confidence and should not be in NZ. Now after the failure of first ODI, he's dropped and he's ruined. Instead it would have been much better if he was playing first class back home. He brought in Jubair, kudos. Then ruined Jubair by playing him in ODIs/T20s etc. Now Jubair is in the process of disappearing. He brought in Tanbir because he cant get rid of his obsession with leggies. So despite being a mediocre player, he gets into the team. The batting order changes with every match. Shabbir and Mullah's positions are shuffled always. It's never settled.

Having said all these, the players have to take all the blame for all the recent collapses. Looks like they are suffering from a kind of mental block as a unit. I would have accepted it from the previous era BD but not from this era BD. Something needs to be done to change the mind set of this unit esp while chasing. I believe they can chase but something is blocking us. Changing and chopping won't do any favour.

 

[Blocky]

Shakib hasn't been good for the last couple of years, prior to that you could argue he was the leading all rounder in world cricket, but his performances have fallen away. Fizz is just everyone getting hyped up about a guy who performed well in one series, I'll see you Fizz and raise you Matt Henry, or Mitchell McCleneghan.

The Bangladesh side is much like a poorer cousin of the Indian or Sri Lankan sides, they rely on conditions that aren't sporting to win against their opposition, due to this, they'll never become good outside of those conditions.

I can write 1000 paragraphs on this BD team but if you are not going to help yourself, nobody can. We have been throwing games away like it's a joke. Without watching the game, I can imagine how they fell away chasing this. That's the state of this team.

It was basically scoreboard pressure; the moment you have a chase of 5.5 or more with Bangladesh is the moment you're going to win the game in almost every circumstance, especially if it's not in low slow conditions. They have no understanding or capability to work the gaps, find the singles and hit the bad balls for boundaries therefore any time they're required to chase near a run a ball, they rely solely on boundary hitting and get themselves out doing it.

It's why I knew NZ were home and hosed after they'd put 220 on the board, and even with Williamson's very best effort to be the worst captain in international cricket, they still capitulated because of the above facts. It wasn't a collapse so much as it was incompetent players who don't understand much beyond block or bash cricket.

 

[Zinzan]

When you're right, you're always right.

Fair play, really thought 250 wasn't enough with the prospect of Ferguson in the attack and likely to spray it around & with the relatively short boundaries & a quick outfield.

Credit to KW for one thing, and that's deciding to bowl himself, although as I said prior, he'd do so if he has half a brain.

 

[Blocky]

Fair play, really thought 250 wasn't enough with the prospect of Ferguson in the attack and likely to spray it around & with the relatively short boundaries & quick outfield.

Credit to KW for one thing, and that's deciding to bowl himself, although as I said prior, he'd do so if he has half a brain.

Yeah, that was a decent move, but to be fair you'd seen Santner had a ton of success previously and he was "the next best spinner" - now he's gone back obviously with Hesson and instead of backing himself to give those performances more regularly, he's suggesting we bring Jeetan Patel into the squad. That to me is another mistake, because you just won't get anything out of Patel - I'd rather see Sodhi there and being as I think Sodhi hardly deserves a FC spot, that's a big call - but at least with Sodhi there is a recent series of performance, the guy can bat and doesn't back away from the ball like Jeetan does once it goes over 130kph.

It's just a very hesitant style of captaincy and very paint by numbers, couldn't take Ferguson off because the plan says Ferguson bowls four in his first spell... etc

In terms of 250 - I handled that above a wee bit, where I discuss why Bangladesh struggle with run chases like that.

 

[Flem274*]

If NZ hid bowlers every time they had a poor spell, a poor day or a poor series then neil wagner would never have become the bowler he is.

 

[jonbrooks]

okay that yorker was decent

Why didn't he bowl more of those? Instead he persisted with short pitched rubbish that was carted to all corners.

 

[jonbrooks]

Yea but as has been well established on this forum, what you think doesn't matter.

Really? Why don't you show me the Bangladesh teams FC and LO stats. If they're so "talented" as you claim then they must have solid FC and LO stats. Go on then. Show me that what I thnk doesn't matter. :-)