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***Official*** New Zealand in India 2016

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
lol... but I have a corollary question here. And folks who have played any decent level of cricket will understand what I mean. If you had the ability to be a Sehwag or an Ashwin, where you bring in something totally unique and be a matchwinner in certain conditions (in their case, 6 out of the 10 cricket playing countries) but a bit **** in the others, OR, you had the ability to be decent to good everywhere without really being a matchwinner on your own, what would you choose? Sometimes I feel cricketers actually try and do the former at the expense of the latter because at the end of the day, this way they at least make a difference to the number of times their side can actually win cricket matches.
 

Burgey

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I don't know that players necessarily think like that, because if you've worked hard enough to get to a level where you're playing international cricket (unless you're Gavaskar's son and got there by nepotism) then I'd think you'd simply go out and attempt to do the best you can no matter the opposition or conditions. I don't think a Sehwag or an Ashwin would think "I'll really hone my game to smash it up in the UAE but won't worry about England", they'd be there having a crack in all conditions. It's just people are better suited to some conditions than others.
 

Burgey

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Except for Allan Border, who scored runs everywhere, against everyone.

Edit: Just ftr, lowest away average is 38 vs SA, where he only played three tests immediately before retiring. Am editing my ATG Australian side to include him at the expense of Chappell, G.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I don't know that players necessarily think like that, because if you've worked hard enough to get to a level where you're playing international cricket (unless you're Gavaskar's son and got there by nepotism) then I'd think you'd simply go out and attempt to do the best you can no matter the opposition or conditions. I don't think a Sehwag or an Ashwin would think "I'll really hone my game to smash it up in the UAE but won't worry about England", they'd be there having a crack in all conditions. It's just people are better suited to some conditions than others.

But that is not what I meant. What I mean is, if you can develop certain skill sets that help you win games at home but do not really help abroad, you will still develop that because that is the ultimate aim as a team. Win as much as you can, even if it means it might cost you when go abroad. For instance, I am sure Ashwin can bowl like Lyon (side spin than over spin etc.) and that might help him be a better bowler in Australia but what he might have to give up for that might make much less effective in the other conditions. So he may not do that. That was my point.
 

Burgey

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But I don't know that you have to necessarily give up one set of skills to develop another in the same discipline. I think that's what makes great players great. They do adapt to different conditions in different places and play accordingly. For example, the WPNCOS would ideally adapt his style to different conditions. So would Ashwin. I look at it as a measure of a player that they're able to perform well in different places. It's not a determinant of them warranting a place in a team at any given time, but it is a determinant (IMO) in whether they warrant a place in AT teams for their countries. So, for example, Mike Hussey doesn't really rate a mention as an AT Australian player despite having a great average, because his home record and away records are so seriously skewed one way. Doesn't' mean he wasn't a very fine player for Australia or didn't warrant a place. It just means he isn't the player some of the other blokes in the argument are.

So it goes with Ashwin, Lyon, Sehwag etc, in my opinion anyway.
 

Daemon

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Confident India take weather out of equation | Cricket News India & International, Match Schedule, Scores, Report and Ranking: WisdenIndia


But Kohli, for one, is not going to be worrying too much about the forecast. The Indian skipper revealed after the first Test that the team had in fact consciously not played to the threat of rain, keeping their game plan set to having a full day’s play. The reason, Kohli revealed, was how planning for rain had hurt India in the past.

“It’s been a pattern in the past where we’ve focussed too much on the rain and we haven’t focussed on the game that much and we’ve lost Test matches,” he said. “I remember one instance in Durban where we kept thinking it’s overcast and it might rain anytime, but it didn’t and we just lost focus on the game. (Dale) Steyn came in and bowled a spell of five wickets and we lost the Test match. We were in a very good position.”

Kohli was referring to India’s second and final Test on their short trip to South Africa in December 2013, where after a thrilling draw in the first Test in Johannesburg, India had begun strongly in Durban. But two Steyn bursts first reduced them from 198 for 1 to 199 or 4, and then from 320 for 5 to 334 all out, with the South African spearhead returning 6 for 100.

“We have stopped focussing on those things, we play according to how the game is going and not how the conditions will turn out,” went on Kohli. “Because that is not in our control, we can’t change plans according to what’s going to happen, whether it will happen or not. Two days back, there was a forecast of it being partly sunny, partly cloudy and it rained for two hours. You can never predict those things. Today as well it was cloudy in the morning but our focus was just to get those six wickets and not to worry about the rain. If it happens it happens, it’s not in our control. But we want to focus on what we can do on the field and look to execute that to the best of our abilities.”
So this is apparently behind the bizarre batting on Day 4
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I love how Kohli is so different to our past captains. He's just a random emotional bloke who has his own ideas of how **** should be done and is happy to tell everyone what those ideas are, no matter how unique or **** they are.
 

Burgey

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Aren't Pujara, Dharwan and Gambhir all either in or about the squad? FMD they could haunt houses for a crust.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Don't blame me, blame the numpties who suggested Ravi Ashwin belongs anywhere near any ATG side. The thread is always going to go off topic and/ or to the shitter after people post things like that.
To be fair, he'd make an ATG "Cricketer's named Ravi" XI.
 

CharlesLara

U19 12th Man
Firstly, are we surprised that Jimmy is injured? I mean when was the last time he actually got on the park in red ball cricket? He's starting to become a smug somebody who is more famous for his Twitter "humour" and cringy one liners than any meaningful recent performance.

Secondly, on a slightly more cynical note, can "journalists" stop referring to everything outside of India as a "greentop" ffs. This whole narrative that teams get served up nothing but greentops in AUS / SA / ENG is hilarious, it's like the go to buzzword for any criticism of India's home tactics. Comments such as "but when v get given greentops and swinging conditions we don't complain" is so LOL. It's almost as if there is a complete lack of even knowing the simplest things about climates abroad.

This whole post reeks of a cynical bastard (which lets be honest, it is), but forgive me, I have just watched a video of Harsha Bogle (yeah, I know I should of known what I was getting into) talking about Jadeja being no different to other bowlers making hay in swinging / seaming conditions (there is some sort of point, but the pitch doesn't make the ball swing).

Sorry, rant over.
 

Flem274*

123/5
just remember ganguly crying all tour in 2002 because the pitches were green (didn't absolve him from chasing balls well wide of off) and harbhajan declaring he was never coming back to nz again after having to take his shoes off in an airport or something

he came back ftr
 

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