The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Gob]

I think they are tbh

Viv
Virat
AB

And I'm a big Punter fan

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah my 3-6 is pretty much set as Viv, Virat, AB and MSD.

 

[Red]

So my ATG ODI line up is:

Tendulkar
Watson
Richards
Kohli
AB DeVilliers
MS Dhoni
Kapil Dev
Wasim
Garner
Murali
McGrath

 

[bagapath]

My ATG ODI side has three world class WKs

tendulkar
gilchrist +
viv richards
kohli
de villiers
dhoni *
s.pollock
akram
warne
garner
mcgrath

 

[The Battlers Prince]

That's placing Dhoni's batting incredibly high to rate his fielding good enough for an ODI ATG side. DeVilliers is an amazing fielder. I'm not sure Dhoni's batting is worth that. I think I'd just keep Gilchrist and DeV

 

[marc71178]

why not?

Because for me that places them as 2 of the best 3 middle order players of all time and I don't think they're definitely both in that category.

 

[AldoRaine18]

Who are the top 5 ODI all rounders?

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

That's placing Dhoni's batting incredibly high to rate his fielding good enough for an ODI ATG side. DeVilliers is an amazing fielder. I'm not sure his batting is worth that. I think I'd just keep Gilchrist.

Dhoni is a walk in for me even if he isn't keeping

 

[vcs]

Australia kind of devalued them with their dominance based on their team of specialists, TBH.

Wasim
Pollock
Kapil
Jayasuriya
Hadlee/Imran

 

[AldoRaine18]

Australia kind of devalued them with their dominance based on their team of specialists, TBH.

Wasim
Pollock
Kapil
Jayasuriya
Hadlee/Imran

No mention of Klusener or Yuvraj Singh?

 

[honestbharani]

Sachin
Lara
Viv
Virat
ABD
MSD (wk) (c)
Freddie
Wasim
Warne
Ambrose
Murali

 

[vcs]

No mention of Klusener or Yuvraj Singh?

I actually had Klusener/Flintoff in 5th place as I haven't really watched much of Hadlee/Imran but then decided to play safe with the big names.

 

[bagapath]

Who are the top 5 ODI all rounders?

Kallis
Jayasuriya
Imran
Klusener
Flintoff

 

[bagapath]

Six WKs + five bowling ARs ODI XI

McCullum
Gilchrist
Sangakara
A. Flower
De Villiers
Dhoni
Shakib
Afridi
S. Pollock
Hadlee
Akram

 

[Red]

That's placing Dhoni's batting incredibly high to rate his fielding good enough for an ODI ATG side. DeVilliers is an amazing fielder. I'm not sure Dhoni's batting is worth that. I think I'd just keep Gilchrist and DeV

It's a hard pick. If I'm going with Dhoni he'll have the gloves and then you have to question whether Gilchrist is a better option than Jayasuriya at the top of the order (playing a similar batting role but adding his great fielding plus canny bowling) or whether you look at a specialist like Amla, Greenidge etc. At the moment I'm on Shane Watson, he was an unreal LO opener and his bowling adds another dimension.

Will be interesting how long it takes a fit Mitchell Starc to start slipping into these teams.

 

[Red]

Because for me that places them as 2 of the best 3 middle order players of all time and I don't think they're definitely both in that category.

Who would you have as your middle order?

 

[watson]

01. Sachin Tendulkar (must)
02. Adam Gilchrist
03. Brian Lara
04. Viv Richards (must)
05. AB De Villiers
06. Michael Bevan
07. Kapil Dev (must)
08. Shaun Pollock
09. Wasim Akram (must)
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath

Positions 1-7 aren't very difficult to come up with as it's all good which ever way you go. Gilchrist or Dhoni, does it really matter? Picking Gilchrist allows for Bevan, one of greatest chasers of all time, and picking Dhoni allows for someone like Jayasuriyah or Waugh in the opening spot. So there is no loss in strength no matter what combination you choose.

However, finding the right balance for the tail is tough. I would like to have Akram (a must) at No.8 but he's not quite good enough with the bat IMO, and in effect the tail becomes too weak. Shaun Pollock is a natural in that spot but that means I can't pick both McGrath and Garner. Something I'd really like to do.

The team I have ended up choosing bats down to No.10 (more or less). Something desirable for ODI competitions.

 

[Gowza]

Amla and Hussey surely got to be highly considered for a ODI all time XI,

Top 6:

1 Tendulkar
2 Amla
3 Viv
4 ABD
5 Hussey
6 Dhoni

The rest is really tough to pick but probably I'd go:

7 Kapil
8 Wasim
9 Garner
10 Murali
11 McGrath

But that's a pretty weak tail with garner starting at 9. Hadlee, pollock, Warne, Kohli and Gilchrist are stong considerations.

7-11 could easily be (and a variety of other combo's):

7 Pollock
8 Hadlee
9 Wasim
10 Warne
11 McGrath/Garner

 

[mr_mister]

I think you can afford a weak tail tbh

 

[Red]

Garner is a must for me. First bowler picked.