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New Zealand doom and gloom thread
- Thread starter Bahnz
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Jord
U19 Vice-Captain
Hazlewood has shown what to do if you're 130KPH without massive movement. You plug on a line and length and wait for a batsman to make a mistake. That's something neither Southee or Boult have in their game because they're so used to turning up and bowling boomerang swing at 140KPH that there isn't a plan B when that doesn't work.
(though I didn't see all of their first innings bowling)
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
hazlewood gets it to move everywhere though. Plus he's 6'169'' which helps
Jord
U19 Vice-Captain
6'169? That must be a new record!
Jord
U19 Vice-Captain
He's bowling to a plan and doing it with full commitment without getting bored of it and feeling he's above it. It's enabling NZ to actually be able to attack, rather than worry about where the ball is going to be pitched and what part of the field they need to run to in order to fetch it after the batsman hits it.
Southee and Boult have been absolutely dire, Wagner should never have been dropped for Bracewell and Henry doesn't look ready for test cricket.
Southee and Boult have been absolutely dire, Wagner should never have been dropped for Bracewell and Henry doesn't look ready for test cricket.
Flem274*
123/5
looking forward to kane taking over. my pop-psychology assessment of him is he's a much colder man than mccullum. there will be less "spirit of the game!" and more "so steve smith is easily riled? my attack is bowling crap? i have an idea to get a "wicket"..." in other words i expect kane to be more like fleming. baz would never do something like the VB series go slow because #intent #dreambignz. i reckon kane would be all in for that stuff. ruthless effectiveness is his thing.
that and i hope that rather than laughs off the batting of the tail, he inserts southee's bat up southee's backside.
just as baz made a team in his own image, i really want kane to make a team in his, taylors and watlings image. pls pls.
that and i hope that rather than laughs off the batting of the tail, he inserts southee's bat up southee's backside.
just as baz made a team in his own image, i really want kane to make a team in his, taylors and watlings image. pls pls.
indiaholic
International Captain
Kane will just have the Tendulkar problem where he fails to understand why other players are not as good as he is.
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Wanna see babyface Kane rip Southee's face off when he plays a big dumb shot.
Flem274*
123/5
the high voice, five foot eight derpy blond guy has an interior featuring no softness imo. kimber called him a terminator and i reckon i agree - just always struck me as a man who is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
there's an ego hidden away in there too. look at his shot to get out in perth - he was treating hazlewood like a toy and got carried away.
i hope im right because kane destroying southee after one of his "innings" would just be the best
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
I've been thinking he's not really gonna sound good reading out the Dream Big New Zealand ad.
Great player, bad voice.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Overall, I think our batting is looking reasonable going forward. If we look at the last year, when NZ has played the majority of its cricket against two of the top bowling lineups in world cricket, the numbers look decent:
KW - averaging 62.68 (if you remove his top score that average drops to 55.8)
Taylor - averaging 46.23 (22.21 if you remove his top score)
Watling - averaging 36.7 (30.3 when removing his top score)
McCullum - 36.4 (29.2)
Latham - 35.76 (29.35)
Guptill - 30.88 (23.53)
Mid-30's averages or more from everyone save Guptill is pretty good I think (though more consistency from Taylor would be nice in future). Still, given how fragile our batting became once just 1 of our first choice top 6 dropped out recently leaves me a little uneasy about the post-Baz world.
The bowling is the bigger issue at this point.
KW - averaging 62.68 (if you remove his top score that average drops to 55.8)
Taylor - averaging 46.23 (22.21 if you remove his top score)
Watling - averaging 36.7 (30.3 when removing his top score)
McCullum - 36.4 (29.2)
Latham - 35.76 (29.35)
Guptill - 30.88 (23.53)
Mid-30's averages or more from everyone save Guptill is pretty good I think (though more consistency from Taylor would be nice in future). Still, given how fragile our batting became once just 1 of our first choice top 6 dropped out recently leaves me a little uneasy about the post-Baz world.
The bowling is the bigger issue at this point.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Good contribution.
I agree, he obviously is extremely competitive and has a strong will to win. Probably how he got so good in the first place.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I don't know how he will go ( Kane)
We have already seen him a number of times in odis and he was an average captain who made no mistakes while doing nothing memorably inventive.
The bar is pretty low as to what he has to live up to in the test match space so I am confident new Zealand's test match winning record will improve with him at the helm. Or basically even Tim southee at the helm.
I was so jealous of Australia actually having plans for our batsman. I look forward to a new era of cricket.
Godspeed Kane.
We have already seen him a number of times in odis and he was an average captain who made no mistakes while doing nothing memorably inventive.
The bar is pretty low as to what he has to live up to in the test match space so I am confident new Zealand's test match winning record will improve with him at the helm. Or basically even Tim southee at the helm.
I was so jealous of Australia actually having plans for our batsman. I look forward to a new era of cricket.
Godspeed Kane.