***Official*** Australia in New Zealand 2016

[Burgey]

Won't be easy with the WPNW at the crease

 

[Jord]

Just thinking in terms of the importance of the toss and the perhaps misguided belief I still hold that these two sides are much closer in ability than what has been shown due to how vital bowling first has been in these two matches.

Why not toss only in the first, third or fifth match of a series. The captain who loses a toss automatically gets to choose what to do in the next match and in test series with an odd number of tests, it goes back to the coin toss once both captains have had a chance to choose.

It would lessen the impact of tossing a coin across a series and ensure that in a two test series such as this, the luck of the draw doesn't have a side having to have the worst of the conditions in both matches.

 

[Nate]

Henry the only man in the world capable of getting Voges out.

 

[Spark]

??? Why is Glenn Maxwell there

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Just thinking in terms of the importance of the toss and the perhaps misguided belief I still hold that these two sides are much closer in ability than what has been shown due to how vital bowling first has been in these two matches.

Why not toss only in the first, third or fifth match of a series. The captain who loses a toss automatically gets to choose what to do in the next match and in test series with an odd number of tests, it goes back to the coin toss once both captains have had a chance to choose.

It would lessen the impact of tossing a coin across a series and ensure that in a two test series such as this, the luck of the draw doesn't have a side having to have the worst of the conditions in both matches.

The only real reason is because the coin toss ensures randomness which limits the benefits of preparing a surface overly beneficial for the team batting first or second.

If the home side loses the first test of a series they could prepare a crumbling pitch that is okay for batting first up but falls to pieces on day 2, or a greentop that seams everywhere but flattens out after a couple of sessions, or if they win the first test they could just prepare a complete road. They can do that as is, but they'd be certain to have the chance to bat first/second with your change.

 

[Jord]

Not happy with the refusal to go back to basics with Lyon; just bowl a channel outside off and wait for the mistake. I don't get why everyone has to be subject to a meme tactic.

 

[Meridio]

Southee's been all over the place this morning. Can't land two balls in the same spot.

 

[Nate]

O'Keefe clearly the best offie in Australia dah

 

[Jord]

The only real reason is because the coin toss ensures randomness which limits the benefits of preparing a surface overly beneficial for the team batting first or second.

If the home side loses the first test of a series they could prepare a crumbling pitch that is okay for batting first up but falls to pieces on day 2, or a greentop that seams everywhere but flattens out after a couple of sessions, or if they win the first test they could just prepare a complete road. They can do that as is, but they'd be certain to have the chance to bat first/second with your change.

The randomness of a coin toss in a two test series isn't good enough in my view. Australia have been given massive headstarts in both tests in this series and it's not the first time in a two test series that this occurs.

 

[Nate]

??? Why is Glenn Maxwell there

darshy darsh darsh

 

[Compton]

I'm not buying this "the toss was vital" tripe. People need to stop acting as if this series would have ended differently had NZ won the tosses. Other than McCullum innings, Australia have dominated nearly every session of every match. Australia are just the better side, and that's without their best bowler.

 

[Burgey]

The randomness of a coin toss in a two test series isn't good enough in my view. Australia have been given massive headstarts in both tests in this series and it's not the first time in a two test series that this occurs.

Yeah but NZ have got the pitches they asked for. Fmd sour grapes much? Next thing you'll be advocating NZ getting to choose the pitches, decide whether to bat or bowl and also get to pick which bowlers the opposition has to leave out. What's next? Make Voges bat left handed?

Just deal with it.

 

[Gnske]

??? Why is Glenn Maxwell there

Because Shaun Marsh needs our help

 

[Jord]

I'm not buying this "the toss was vital" tripe. People need to stop acting as if this series would have ended differently had NZ won the tosses. Other than McCullum innings, Australia have dominated nearly every session of every match. Australia are just the better side, and that's without their best bowler.

Please. The pitches have done something for the first three hours of the match only, in both matches the Australians were able to effectively reduce New Zealand to totals that were not par considering the rest of the match condition. Australia have been the better side, but they've been helped massively by the conditions they've been given.

Yeah but NZ have got the pitches they asked for. Fmd sour grapes much? Next thing you'll be advocating NZ getting to choose the pitches, decide whether to bat or bowl and also get to pick which bowlers the opposition has to leave out. What's next? Make Voges bat left handed?

Just deal with it.

The pitches NZ wanted weren't supposed to stop seaming/swinging by Tea Day 1. If you can't admit that there has been a massive advantage in both tests to Australia then I don't know what jingoistic sense of pride you're going from. Australia have definitely been the better team, but they've been helped bigtime by match conditions.

 

[Burgey]

Well mate, if it's that big an advantage and you're relying on the flip of a coin like the start of every test match has since 1877, you're probably going about things the wrong way and shouldn't prepare those types of decks.

 

[Jord]

Well mate, if it's that big an advantage and you're relying on the flip of a coin like the start of every test match has since 1877, you're probably going about things the wrong way and shouldn't prepare those types of decks.

We'll see how you feel when you end up on the wrong side of it in a two test series, you're lucky in the sense that Australia plays enough five test series that the coin toss isn't as impactful to you guys as it has been for the unluckier nations who only get two to three test series.

 

[Gnske]

We'll see how you feel when you end up on the wrong side of it in a two test series, you're lucky in the sense that Australia plays enough five test series that the coin toss isn't as impactful to you guys as it has been for the unluckier nations who only get two to three test series.

Maybe if you were good like us you wouldn't have to worry, lol.

 

[Jord]

Important to point out Australia have played really well and that the captaincy, field placements and bowling tactics have been more detrimental to NZ than the pitch conditions have been, but that's only served to be exacerbated by how easy the conditions have been for Australia to bat in in comparison to our lads.

 

[Daemon]

Good to see Voges and Lyon wearing that neck protector

 

[Compton]

Australia bowled in conditions that had something in it for the bowler. It was hardly unplayable as a batsman.

Pitch has been no where near as big a factor as the difference in quality between the sides has.