Fuller Pilch
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Or would it lower the standard too much? Discuss.
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Should we allow an Australian team in the Georgie Pie Super Smash?
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Prince EWS
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Get the Comets in there IMO.
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I dont actually have a problem with this so we have a second division and punishes the last placed big bash team by having to play in front of smaller crowds. The move will give them more confidence when they begin to win again.
Who knows in 10 years a NZ team might make a big bash semi.
Who knows in 10 years a NZ team might make a big bash semi.
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I don't know what a "Georgie Pie Super Smash" is but it sounds like something Mark Cosgrove would be good at
Fuller Pilch
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The 3rd best team in NZ beat the Australian champions. Just saying.
CANTERBURY KINGS vs SYDNEY THUNDER
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not saying that anyone is wrong or right, or better than the other, but that is hardly an actual Sydney Thunder team
I have no idea who half those players are, they certainly aren't going to get a game in the big bash even if they are part of the squad (which I doubt most are)
edit: not that it's really relevant either way . I'm sure any NZ side could beat any Aus side on a given day, and vice versa.
Hira made 29* (9). Your argument is invalid; cricket broke.
kiwiviktor81
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BBL, 12 teams
Melbourne x 2
Sydney x 2
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide
Hobart
Canberra
Cairns? help me out here Aussies
North Island/Auckland
South Island/Christchurch
If this ever happened it would be awesome.
Edit: and it's go obviously good in my mind I'm sure it will happen.
Melbourne x 2
Sydney x 2
Brisbane
Perth
Adelaide
Hobart
Canberra
Cairns? help me out here Aussies
North Island/Auckland
South Island/Christchurch
If this ever happened it would be awesome.
Edit: and it's go obviously good in my mind I'm sure it will happen.
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If you dilute the Australian player pool to 10 teams, the 2 NZ ones will dominate. You'd end up with something looking roughly like this (using the Island of Origin T20 teams as a base, so excluding Test players and doing a bit of shuffling for balance reasons):
North: 1. Worker, 2. Devcich, 3. Munro, 4. Bruce, 5. Young, 6. Ronchi +, 7. de Grandhomme, 8. Grobbelaar, 9. Sodhi, 10. Milne, 11. McCleneghan.
South: 1. Broom, 2. Papps +, 3. Rutherford, 4. Bracewell, 5. Neesham, 6. Ellis, 7. NcCullum, 8. Wheeler, 9. Nuttall, 10. Duffy, 11. McMillan
If you're trying to bring in two more teams of Australians, diluting it down even more (I mean, weigh up on one hand the number of contracted players you thought were **** in BBL|05, compared to the number of uncontracted players you thought were harsh to miss out), then those two NZ teams are gonna be pretty bloody competitive. Even more so if you slot a couple of internationals into them.
North: 1. Worker, 2. Devcich, 3. Munro, 4. Bruce, 5. Young, 6. Ronchi +, 7. de Grandhomme, 8. Grobbelaar, 9. Sodhi, 10. Milne, 11. McCleneghan.
South: 1. Broom, 2. Papps +, 3. Rutherford, 4. Bracewell, 5. Neesham, 6. Ellis, 7. NcCullum, 8. Wheeler, 9. Nuttall, 10. Duffy, 11. McMillan
If you're trying to bring in two more teams of Australians, diluting it down even more (I mean, weigh up on one hand the number of contracted players you thought were **** in BBL|05, compared to the number of uncontracted players you thought were harsh to miss out), then those two NZ teams are gonna be pretty bloody competitive. Even more so if you slot a couple of internationals into them.
So yeah you'd have to consider NZers and Australians as domestic players across all teams, else you've got Cameron Borgas getting a game for the Cairns Crocodiles and Jeet Raval sitting on the bench for the Northern Ace Firebucks, or Tastle sitting out for the Southern VoltWizards
kiwiviktor81
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I follow your reasoning but I'm hung up on one point. 10 Aussie teams and 2 Kiwi teams means a 5:1 ratio. The population of Aussie is 23 million and NZ 4.5 million, also a 5:1 ratio. That tells me that talent ought to be pretty evenly split.
Unless you're saying that NZ is per capita better at cricket than Aussie. We're good but probably the opposite is true.
Instinct tells me that Aussie has more per capita cricket talent than NZ so I would have thought a 5:1 dilution would favour Aussie, if anything.
Yeah but look at the domestic structures. Funnelling 6 Sheffield Shield teams into 10 BBL teams vs. 6 Plunket Shield teams into 2 BBL teams.
If you're looking for a 10th BBL team, you're drawing players from rookie lists and outside of professional structures to fill up the XIs, compared to NZ who are leaving 44 regular, professionally-contracted Plunket Shield players out of their 2 BBL teams. That's not to say that guys outside of the professional structure in Australia can't be better than some of the shunts who play NZ domestix, but overwhelmingly I'd suggest that the difference would come out in the depth -- professionals with domestic experience in NZ, vs random blokes drawn from grade in the BBL.
If you're looking for a 10th BBL team, you're drawing players from rookie lists and outside of professional structures to fill up the XIs, compared to NZ who are leaving 44 regular, professionally-contracted Plunket Shield players out of their 2 BBL teams. That's not to say that guys outside of the professional structure in Australia can't be better than some of the shunts who play NZ domestix, but overwhelmingly I'd suggest that the difference would come out in the depth -- professionals with domestic experience in NZ, vs random blokes drawn from grade in the BBL.