hendrix
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I respect that you have a different opinion but that's a total misrepresentation of the argument.
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Another Mankading
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neville cardus
International Debutant
I was only partially joking, so I'm prepared to stand by it. What does it misrepresent?
If, as I've submitted, "the spirit of cricket" is just sportsmanship by another name, the description of it as "drivel" would seem entirely to warrant the interpretation I've given. No?
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Batsmen know that if they leave their crease they run the risk of being stumped/run out.
neville cardus
International Debutant
And I know that, if I leave my front door unlocked, I run the risk of being murdered in my bed. That I've been negligent, however, does not absolve my murderer.
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Day Man
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
MCC says mankadding is an issue for the laws, not the spirit of cricket | The Times
Decency is not demanded of bowlers alone. A batsman overstepping his crease at the wrong time to gain an unfair advantage has engaged in utterly indecent behaviour and absolutely earns his just desserts.
People objecting to mankading need to stop acting on feelz and develop a sense of propriety instead.
Decency is not demanded of bowlers alone. A batsman overstepping his crease at the wrong time to gain an unfair advantage has engaged in utterly indecent behaviour and absolutely earns his just desserts.
People objecting to mankading need to stop acting on feelz and develop a sense of propriety instead.
cpr
International Coach
I've no issue with the Mankad per se (not going to regurgitate what others have said much better to justify it), whilst this one seems harsh from a batsmans POV, it looks kinda clever from the bowlers.
However is there any punishment for the bowler for trying the Mankad? If this one had come back not out, would the umpire just ignore it and call for the ball to be bowled properly? It'd seem fair if a no-ball was called (after all the ball was in the bowlers hand as he crossed the line), might work as a balance to stop it happening too often if we were to move to a world where the Mankad becomes a typically considered dismissal.
However is there any punishment for the bowler for trying the Mankad? If this one had come back not out, would the umpire just ignore it and call for the ball to be bowled properly? It'd seem fair if a no-ball was called (after all the ball was in the bowlers hand as he crossed the line), might work as a balance to stop it happening too often if we were to move to a world where the Mankad becomes a typically considered dismissal.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Up there with accusing someone of being a sociopath because they don't think there's anything wrong with mankading.
Athlai
Not Terrible
#againstthelawtho
neville cardus
International Debutant
But I wasn't referring to the law. I was referring to the moral case against murder. There is one, you know.
neville cardus
International Debutant
Yeah. Whoever did that is an utter tool.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Equating the moral arguments behind "entering someones home against without their permission and then killing them in their sleep" with "performing an action in a cricket game that is deemed unsportsmanlike but obeys the rules of the game" sounds reasonable to me.
Day Man
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
It would seem that the proper way to avoid the perfectly legitimate mode of dismissal known as the mankading would be for the batsman to stay behind the crease until the ball is delivered.
But no, let's throw out strawmen to make it anybody's fault but the batsman's.
The posters defending the batsman are the ones who cut into queue and then act disgusted when other people call them out for it and kick them to the back of the line. Just because something offends you doesn't make you the party in the right. Valuable life lesson right there. Propriety trumps the mere appearance of manners.
But no, let's throw out strawmen to make it anybody's fault but the batsman's.
The posters defending the batsman are the ones who cut into queue and then act disgusted when other people call them out for it and kick them to the back of the line. Just because something offends you doesn't make you the party in the right. Valuable life lesson right there. Propriety trumps the mere appearance of manners.
cpr
International Coach
It does sound harsh, but if you leave your bed before the burgler has had chance to complete his actions, then I dare say you've put yourself in that position.
Niall
International Coach
Ashwin Ravichandran @ashwinravi99 12h12 hours ago
@lk_karthik @ImAishu_ @SriniMama16 every single day,I can't push the front line,why should a batsmen gain yards.
Stuart Meaker @SMeaker18 15h15 hours ago
Why bring in a law that allows it and then say it's not in the spirit. Isn't it poor sportsmanship that he's stealing a run? #WIvZIM
Exactly, a few bowlers opinions on it. Its an era where batsman dominate and tailored towards them, why should they be allowed to steal an advantage which has been forbidden in the rules for ages?
Day Man
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
The batsman was found short of the crease when the bails were taken off. That is the only point of concern here. Where he might have been before and after is utterly irrelevant, just as it is for every other line dismissal, be it a run out or stumping.
What was he doing out of his crease at any point at all between the time the bowler started his run up and reached alongside him? If the batsman plays the dangerous/stupid game of juggling his position before the actual moment of delivery, he's entirely to blame for his predicament. Stay behind the crease until you see the ball being delivered - it's as simple as that.
The only reason that stupidity or mis-judgement on the part of the batsman in getting run out or stumped is considered to be "in the spirit of the game" while stupidity or mis-judgement on the part of the batsman in being found outside his crease in getting mankaded is (incorrectly) not in some quarters, as one poster previously mentioned, is because some people are used to the former being commonplace and latter rare. That is essentially what it boils down to - an inability to see the facts for what they are for reasons of frequency of occurrence. Any objections to mankading are window dressing borne of a stubborn refusal to acknowledge this basic fact.
Is it cynical to explicitly aim for a mankading? Probably yes. But then one must attribute the same degree of cynicism to a wicketkeeper who sees a stumping coming and instead of flicking off the bails immediately, waits and times the stumping to the moment the batsman falls off balance and loses his position within the crease. For reasons already mentioned, people are loathe to attribute cynicism to that type of calculated stumping as they do to mankading. And that has nothing to do with the spirit of the game and everything to do with a reluctance to get out of one's comfort zone and see how utterly similar they are as calculated plays.
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I don't think you understand what a 'fact' is.
Also things should always be considered in context, irrespective of whether or not that context ultimately changes or influences anything.
This is an important piece of context, ftr. Whether or not it changes your opinion, it should damn sure be considered rather than holding an opinion based on a single frame.
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