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***Official*** England in South Africa 2015/16

Howe_zat

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Literally every result means someone has a moan about the standard

Uncompetitve series? It's because the losing side are crap and showing no fight
Competitive series? It's because both sides are crap and don't know how to hold an advantage

People did the same thing 10 years ago too
 

Flem274*

123/5
Could argue the general quality of cricket is lower than it has been in the past, but it's pretty hard to compare across eras. Maybe the lower ranked sides have just improved? Either way I probably prefer test cricket with 6/7 sides that could all beat each other than having one or two dominant sides that win 90% of series they play without breaking sweat. Cricket needs as many sides competitive as possible.
yeah the reality is the perfect era of test cricket everyone dreams about has a lot of batsmen and bowlers averaging in the middle 30s with each team having three or four stand out performers. Everyone having good statistics is impossible because winners need losers.

So really it's kind of like now except with more teams winning away from home.
 

Oduodu

School Boy/Girl Captain
People this is interesting . Please read.

I quote from the following link:

Week 1 - SuperSport - Cricket

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December 31, 2015
Well, what could he say? ¡°Yes, Graeme is quite correct. Several of the senior players are increasingly doubting my methods and beliefs and there might be a confidence and trust issue developing.¡±
Instead, in response to Graeme Smith¡¯s public assertion that there was ¡°some unhappiness in the camp¡±, head coach Russell Domingo replied: ¡°Smithy is entitled to his opinion, of course, but I don¡¯t know where he gets that from. As far as I¡¯m concerned, we are a very happy camp which is backing and supporting each other and the captain.¡±
As I said, what else could he say?
It was a touch naive, though. Where does the coach think the former captain heard the news from? The bar? The commentary box? Or maybe he thinks he imagined it? Made it up¡*?
No, he heard it from the players. And the more the coach pretends everything is ¡°happy in the camp¡±, the more he is kidding himself and the more likely he is to alienate himself from the players even further.
Perhaps the coach doesn¡¯t believe it because nobody has walked up to him, jabbed him in the chest, and said: ¡°Coach, there are a few things the boys are seriously unhappy about.¡± But then, they wouldn¡¯t, would they? They¡¯re professional cricketers, they¡¯re not stupid.
Specifically, then:
The team has three bowling coaches and no batting coach. Not even a part-timer, or a consultant. Duncan Fletcher, one of the very best, is free at the moment. Actually, there are quite a few options to choose from. Most of the senior batsmen have been suggesting it for over a year. They could really, really have done with someone to help during the India tour.
The team is short of runs, not wickets. You don¡¯t need a degree to spot the connection.
The team has nobody to help them exercise the most important muscle in their bodies ¨C the one between their ears. Call him what you like ¨C psychologist, mental coach, shrink¡* it doesn¡¯t matter. Just someone to bounce ideas off, to speak to about tension, expectation and ¡®pressure¡¯. This role CANNOT be performed by the coach. It has to be someone ELSE. Most of the senior players have been suggesting it since Paddy Upton¡¯s services were no longer required by the head coach.
It is a new year and, perhaps, it will bring fresh fortunes. Domingo has invited Smith to spend some time with the batsmen at Newlands on New Year¡¯s day. It will take more than a couple of hours to turn things around but it was an important and a good gesture.
Happy New Year to all.

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Spark

Global Moderator
Could argue the general quality of cricket is lower than it has been in the past, but it's pretty hard to compare across eras. Maybe the lower ranked sides have just improved? Either way I probably prefer test cricket with 6/7 sides that could all beat each other than having one or two dominant sides that win 90% of series they play without breaking sweat. Cricket needs as many sides competitive as possible.
I think it's more that HGA is currently unusually strong, so you're seeing a stack of really one-sided series between sides that should, in theory, be evenly matched. Even the Ashes, which seems competitive at 3-2, basically consisted of each side taking turns to beat the **** out of each other in conditions which favoured them. So the evenness is less a product of a stack of competitive series but more a product of a stack of uncompetitive series, which is obviously not ideal.
 
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Stefan9

International Debutant
Your guess is as good as mine. The players have asked for a batting coach. Apparently they use lance klusener as a batting coach for the tailenders. Maybe they have already appointed a batting coach.

Who knows.
Klusener was only used for a day or 2 before the boxing day test.

The reason for no batting coach or mental is cause Domingo thinks he can do it. He has used Gary Kirsten and Mike Hussey as batting consultants but no permanent batting coach.

It really is shocking but not surprising...
 

Salamuddin

International Debutant
This England team have the potential to be the best test team in the world. They have Moeen Ali at 8.NO other team has this many capable and talented all rounders and class players. And even broad can bat a bit. See great potential in Bairstow if he can improve his keeping. Stokes could be a total phenom. Ali still hasn't fired consistently with his batting. Thing is this team hasn't even fired in all cylinders yet and they're still doing well. Imagine when they actually do!
England might get to number but I doubt they'll stay there for a long period of time. I'm not sure England's bowling is good enough to win tests consistently around the world.
They lack a genuinely quick bowler and I still think Mooen, while he may do an effective job in conditions where England's pacemen find swing and seam, I'll be very surprised if he's gonna be able to do the job in places where he will be expected to be the primary wicket taker.

The truly great teams - WIndies of the 80's, Aussies of the 2000's and South Africa in 06-15 havbe all had one thing in common - at least one truly outstanding bowler.
England don't have that - and no I don't consider Broad and Anderson in this category. Both of them are good bowlers who've had lengthy careers (kapil Dev types) but are not truly exceptional.
 
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Oduodu

School Boy/Girl Captain
Yes but I believe that finn broad and anderson as a unit is better than steyn morkel abbot as a unit AT THIS STAGE.

Steyn has gone pass his best(he is over bowled) and morkel fails to get the very best batsmen out. Abbot still has to learn a lot as must rabada morris viljoen.

Therefore I believe that england has the slight advantage in fast bowling and ali has impressed me.
 
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Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Not sure how you can say Steyn is over bowled in comparison to Broad and Anderson??

Edit:

Just checked and for 2015 Steyn has bowled 127 overs in test cricket compared to 393 for Jimmy and 450 for Broad......... the workload on the English bowlers is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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Midwinter

State Captain
Literally every result means someone has a moan about the standard

Uncompetitve series? It's because the losing side are crap and showing no fight
Competitive series? It's because both sides are crap and don't know how to hold an advantage

People did the same thing 10 years ago too
Yes, Things are more like they are now than they ever have been.

:)
 

Oduodu

School Boy/Girl Captain
Dale steyn
82 tests
average 206 balls per match
16956 balls
7.45 tests per year

Vernon philander
32 tests
Average 189 balls per match
6065 balls
8 test per year

Morne morkel
68 tests
Average 191 balls per match
7.5 tests per year

Stuart broad
88 tests
Average 207 balls per match
18218 balls
11 tests per year

James Anderson
110 tests
Average 222 balls per test match
24475 balls
9.16 tests per year

Stephen finn
27 tests
Average 189 balls per test match
5001 balls
5.4 tests per year

You are correct. Is dale steyn then under managed or what's the deal ??

Has broad had injuries in his career ??
 
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indiaholic

International Captain
Dale steyn
82 tests
average 206 balls per match
16956 balls
7.45 tests per year

Vernon philander
32 tests
Average 189 balls per match
6065 balls
8 test per year

Morne morkel
68 tests
Average 191 balls per match
7.5 tests per year

Stuart broad
88 tests
Average 207 balls per match
18218 balls
11 tests per year

James Anderson
110 tests
Average 222 balls per test match
24475 balls
9.16 tests per year

Stephen finn
27 tests
Average 189 balls per test match
5001 balls
5.4 tests per year

You are correct. Is dale steyn then under managed or what's the deal ??

Has broad had injuries in his career ??
No no no. Steyn is just injured. He has been managed excellently and he has not been over bowled. Every time something happens, it is not the team management's fault.
 

Oduodu

School Boy/Girl Captain
That's probably true as well.

Sir I have a question for you regarding dale steyn.

Does dale steyn have to bowl fast to get the ball to swing ?? Can he bowl a little slower and still get the same amount of swing ?? I get the impression that he always has to bowl close the to the limit of pace he is capable of to get that late swing. In other words his effectiveness as a bowler markedly decreases as he bowles slower. How hard does steyn work every time he turns his arm over compared to other bowlers ??

If this wrong thinking on my behalf then I am sorry.

Pollock and donald both at some stage had to shorten their run ups to stay playing and they remained effective. I am of the opinion that dale will not be able stay effective if he slows his pace.
 

indiaholic

International Captain
Think the way he varies his pace over the course of the day is one of his major strengths. When the ball is new he bowls around the 130 - 135 range where it helps him to get more swing and probably conserve his energy a bit. When the ball gets old and he needs to reverse it, he cranks it up to 145+ even if it is the last spell of the day.

I do believe he can be very effective if he gives up on going full throttle..

These injuries are terrible man.. Hope things fall into place.
 

Flem274*

123/5
South Africa's bowling will keep them competitive even if the batting falls away. Lots of good options there.

Dean Elgar and Nick Compton keep proving me wrong. I didn't really rate either but I can't sniff at what they've done in this test.
 

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