The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[kiwiviktor81]

Elliterative Eleven, aka the Cricketers Who Sound Like Marvel Superheroes XI

Gordon Greenidge
Graham Gooch*
Richie Richardson
Rameez Raja
Colin Cowdrey
Tatenda Taibu+
Anwar Ali
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
Bill Bowes
Patrick Patterson

Could definately be improved upon if I could find a better allrounder or #4 batsman

Chris Cairns?

 

[Red]

With Sobers and Hammond, you don't need 3 specialist pacers. That way you don't weaken the batting and your cordon.

Just go chockers with the ARs

Hutton
Gavaskar
Bradman
Kallis
Miller
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Davidson
Warne
Murali

 

[Howe_zat]

Goddard
Vinoo
Hammond
Kallis
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist
Faulkner
Botham
Imran
Wasim

 

[kyear2]

Trying to think of the best way to have Warne and Murali in the same team, just love the idea of having it spinning both ways from opposite ends.

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Imran
Marshall
Warne
Muralitharan
McGrath

Imran in over Hadlee to shore up the batting with the loss of Hammond.

Barry Richards
Len Hutton
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

 

[Gowza]

Goddard
Vinoo
Hammond
Kallis
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist
Faulkner
Botham
Imran
Wasim

Barlow, Procter, pollock, hadlee, rice (I know he didn't play tests but he was awesome). Worrell or jayasuriya are options to open.

 

[Days of Grace]

Watson referenced David Gower's list in another thread and I subsequently looked it up and was reading some of it online. When I was reading Hammond's write up, I was a bit surprised to read that he was described as a more aggressive batting version of Kallis.

I had previously read from at least a couple of sources that his strike rate was probably in the low 40's at best.

I also noted that I belive it was coronis who referenced a source that estimated his s/r was in the mid 50's.
Genuinely wonder which of these estimates does everyone believe is closer to reality.

A lot of that has to do with timeless tests. Check out the scorecards from the Ashes in 1928/29. Some of the strike-rates are in the 30s.

 

[harsh.ag]

Which of these teams would you vote for?

Barry Richards	Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards	Len Hutton
George Headley	Kumar Sangakkara
Graeme Pollock	Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara	Greg Chappell
Garry Sobers	Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist +	Alan Knott +
Wasim Akram	Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall	Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne	Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath	Muttiah Muralitharan

 

[G.I.Joe]

(b) because they actually have two proper Test openers.

 

[smash84]

Which of these teams would you vote for?

Barry Richards	Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards	Len Hutton
George Headley	Kumar Sangakkara
Graeme Pollock	Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara	Greg Chappell
Garry Sobers	Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist +	Alan Knott +
Wasim Akram	Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall	Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne	Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath	Muttiah Muralitharan

yeah fix the openers and both teams are awesome

 

[Coronis]

Barry Richards
Len Hutton
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

D-did you just pick Hammond in an ATG XI? Next thing you know it'll be Sutcliffe.

 

[honestbharani]

Which of these teams would you vote for?

Barry Richards	Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards	Len Hutton
George Headley	Kumar Sangakkara
Graeme Pollock	Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara	Greg Chappell
Garry Sobers	Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist +	Alan Knott +
Wasim Akram	Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall	Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne	Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath	Muttiah Muralitharan

Not the best distribution. I would move Imran to the first team and let Wasim join Hadlee and Lillee to ensure a left arm option for the second team. Or maybe move Kallis instead of Sobers to the first team and let him open. Bat Viv at 3, Lara at 4. Something like this.


Barry Richards
Jacques Kallis
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
George Headley
Graeme Pollock
Adam Gilchrist +
Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Glenn McGrath


Vs


Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Kumar Sangakkara
Sachin Tendulkar
Greg Chappell
Gary Sobers
Alan Knott +
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Dennis Lillee
Muttiah Muralitharan



Viv to provide offspin support to the first team and Sachin to chip in with his leg breaks for the second team on days 4 and 5 when the tracks turn.

 

[kyear2]

D-did you just pick Hammond in an ATG XI? Next thing you know it'll be Sutcliffe.

Not my team. Was rearranging yours.

But if it was required to play two spinners, yes, I would choose him. First rate slip fielder and more than useful bowler.


Draw the line at Sutcliffe though.

 

[watson]

Here is a list of English spinners who have taken 30 or more wickets in Australia. The fact that there is gap of 40 years from Rhodes to Titmus shows how difficult it has been for spinners in Australian conditions.

Geoff Miller was a surprise, and interestingly there is no Verity, Laker, or Lock because they didn't take enough wickets. Rhodes only makes the list because of a stella tour in 1903/04 when he took 31 wickets at 16 for the series.


W. Bates (1881 to 1887) - 50 wickets at 16
R. Peel (1884 to 1885) - 63 wickets at 22
G. Miller (1978 to 1983) - 38 wickets at 22
J. Briggs (1884 to 1898) - 46 wickets at 28
W. Rhodes (1903 to 1921) - 42 wickets at 28
D. Underwood (1970 to 1980) - 50 wickets at 31
J. Emburey (1978 to 1988) - 35 wickets at 32
L. Braund (1901 to 1908) - 39 wickets at 40
F. Titmus (1962 to 1975) - 37 wickets at 40



There have been 17 English pace bowlers who have taken 30 or more wickets in Australia, but here is the top 10. Fred Trueman took 29 wickets at 27 during his 8 Tests.

G. Lohmann (1887 to 1892) - 41 wickets at 12
W. Barnes (1882 to 1887) - 33 wickets at 15
F. Foster (1911 to 1912) - 32 wickets at 22
SF. Barnes (1901 to 1912) - 77 wickets at 22
J. Snow (1970 to 1971) - 31 wickets at 23
F. Tyson (1954 to 1959) - 31 wickets at 25
H. Larwood (1928 to 1933) - 51 wickets at 27
D. Gough ( 1994 to 1999) - 41 wickets at 27
B. Voce (1932 to 1947) - 41 wickets at 28
I. Botham (1978 to 1987) - 69 wickets at 28



SF Barnes seems to be the greatest English bowler of any type in Australian conditions with the most wickets at only 22 runs a piece.

 

[Red]

Bored. One day XIs off the top of my head. 30 seconds per team.

Australia

Gilchrist
Watson
Ponting
Jones
M.Waugh
Symonds
Hussey
Warne
Lee
Starc
McGrath

West Indies

Haynes
Gayle
Richards
Lara
Lloyd
Hooper
Dujon
Sammy
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

South Africa

Kirsten
Smith
Amla
Kallis
DeVilliers
Rhodes
McMillan
Pollock
Boje
Morkel
Donald

 

[Gob]

They are terrible

 

[Lillian Thomson]

This is a Parrot Sketch Not Included XI

Gavaskar
Hobbs
Richards
Tendulkar
Lara
Gilchrist
Imran
Hadlee
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly

 

[Malleeboy]

"Could've been champions" ATG Australia

1 Sid Barnes -Dropped for reasons other then cricket ability, out averaged Bradman in a tour
2 Phillip Hughes -Early Death
3 Archie Jackson - Early Death
4 Brad Hodge -Being a Victorian, dropped with an average of 58
5 Darren Lehmann - Being tubby didnt stop Taylor, Gooch, Boon but Simpson basically locked Lehmann out of the national side cause of his girth for a decade and only got a run at the end of his career
6 Doug Walters -Struggled in England but dominated in Aus
7 Barry Jarman - As suggested below
8 Mitchell Johnson - As we know at his best devastating, just didn't always bring it
9 Stuart McGill - "Warned" off for most of his career, when thye both played out performed Warne
10 Bill Johnston - Despite his stellar figures, and versatilty of bowling both pace and spin just doesn't get rated
11 Ian Meckiff - Done for chucking in his day but his action doesn't look worse then several bowlers today, The modern allowances for arm flex would see him allowed.

12 Thomson - On field collision drastically reduced his speed.
13 David Hussey - Same era as Hodge
14 Stuart Law - As above

 

[The Sean]

Barry Jarman for 'keeper. Was considered the best gloveman in the country (and his dismissals per innings rate is exceptional) but lost his spot in the Test side to a young upstart called Rod Marsh, at the time due in large part to Marsh's superior batting ability. The rest, as they say, is history.

 

[mr_mister]

I really like that list Malleeboy. I would try and sneak Flem into the squad too. Such a great bowler who averaged 25 and troubled many quality batsman in his twenty test career

Lee kinda ruined his chances at a long career imo. The younger, cooler, more marketable and of course faster bowler who was nowhere near as effective at his actual job... and Dizzy and Pidge obviously weren't getting dropped around that time

 

[kiwiviktor81]

What's the best team you can get from one country limited to players whose surname all starts with the same letter?

My effort: Pakistan 'A' (ODIs)

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Shahid Afridi (5)
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. ????
5. Umar Akmal
6. Azhar Ali
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Wasim Akramn (2)
9. Saeed Ajmal (4)
10. Mohammed Amir (3)
11. Shoaib Akhtar (1)