*Official* South Africa in Bangladesh 2015

[Niall]

He was in peak form before the World Cup but couldn't turn it on when the tournament was on. I don't believe in good players not being able to perform in big tournaments. He's proven himself as an excellent ODI opener and I reckon that he'll be able to prove himself in upcoming tournaments.

I see where you are coming from, but to many knock out games he has not shown up for in limited overs cricket. Someone like Faf whose numbers are not to exciting on the other hand I'd back in a knock out game as he is absolute clutch, even Miller has shown signs of been a game changer at the end of a competition.

I wouldn't bother with him for the world cup t20 as that is his worst format, but the champions trophy in 2017 will be very interesting. Another substandard effort and South African fans will be pushing the panic button.

We just need to make sure we don't get banned before then

 

[Niall]

SA made the big mistake on relying on their pace bowlers for the ODIs. The T20s were won mainly because of their spinners Phangiso and that Leie. Morkel was clearly out of match practice.Batting wise people may have to give credit to BD. Considering they won the first 3 games of the tournament dont know if SA being rusty can be used as an excuse. Some could say BD were a little rusty in the first 2 T20s and needed some time to get used to the SA bowling attack.

Fair point.

However give them the benefit with Morkel as he still their best limited overs bowler so he has to play, he was rusty but heck so were loads of them. They could still have sneaked in Phangiso though regardless, world cup next year in India, so as much as SC cricket for him as possible especially after such a good t20 series.

 

[viriya]

Bangla turning into my new favorite team.

 

[Gob]

I like that Bangladesh are winning cricket etc but enough with the tiger crap seriously.

 

[Burner]

I see where you are coming from, but to many knock out games he has not shown up for in limited overs cricket. Someone like Faf whose numbers are not to exciting on the other hand I'd back in a knock out game as he is absolute clutch, even Miller has shown signs of been a game changer at the end of a competition.

I wouldn't bother with him for the world cup t20 as that is his worst format, but the champions trophy in 2017 will be very interesting. Another substandard effort and South African fans will be pushing the panic button.

We just need to make sure we don't get banned before then

I don't think that he's in the t20 team, and I wouldn't select him myself. Yeah, the Champions Trophy 2017 will be a good ground for him to prove himself to the fans.

And why would I get banned? I am like the nicest guy around here

 

[Niall]

I don't think that he's in the t20 team, and I wouldn't select him myself. Yeah, the Champions Trophy 2017 will be a good ground for him to prove himself to the fans.

And why would I get banned? I am like the nicest guy around here

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Pretty sure Amla has requested a break when it comes to playing international t20 since last year's world cup. I'd expect he would want to be involved for next years world cup.

 

[fishyguy]

The reports on cricinfo and a lot of the criticism is basically talking about the fact that SA did not play their best 11. The bottom line is SA underestimated BD. they were sure these players could beat BD and left out their best 11. Now they are regretting that. Will be interesting to see if they do that the next time they tour BD.

 

[Kippax]

You can say we underestimated them, but we'd never lost to Bangladesh, really. They're not a team worth basically losing to, although they'd performed well.

 

[Kippax]

Proteas team interference: What Mike Horn really said

 

[jan]

Piss poor Proteas
Curious if QDK will surpass the 44 he amassed during the ODIs in the tests.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

The reports on cricinfo and a lot of the criticism is basically talking about the fact that SA did not play their best 11. The bottom line is SA underestimated BD. they were sure these players could beat BD and left out their best 11. Now they are regretting that. Will be interesting to see if they do that the next time they tour BD.

if saffers really underestimated then that's very unprofessional and they paid the price. but i doubt it. what's the best odi team that they could put out of the xi that played? de villiers and steyn? i dont think steyn could make much of a difference in this. i agree that de villiers with his super human abilities could turn the match. but then also is it fair to say they did not field best xi from the remaining? there were some selection blunders as well

 

[Burner]

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Pretty sure Amla has requested a break when it comes to playing international t20 since last year's world cup. I'd expect he would want to be involved for next years world cup.

Oh, didn't know that. Would suck for SA to have him in the t20 team, tbh. From what Iittle I've seen of him, he's not the kind of player who can hit just sixes and fours if it came to that. He often fails to connect bat with ball when he's trying to hit pre-meditated murder-the-bowler shots.

Now that I've said this, I am pretty sure he's going to win the t20 WC for SA by hitting the last ball for a six off Mitchell Starc's yorker ball when his team needs 6 runs off half a ball.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

I think Mclaren and Albie should come in, maybe even Johan Botha.

Either way it will be selection that could work or wouldn't, the truth of the matter is that SA has been Piss poor in ODI cricket for the last 4 years, played 80 won 45 lost 31 (W/L ratio: 1.45), in the 4 years before that we had a record of 74/51/22 (W/L ratio: 2.32).

This is from backing average ODI bowlers like Dale Steyn, regularly resting our best players and inadequate depth to rest our best players.

 

[Howe_zat]

I hope this says a bit more about Bangladesh at home rather than just Bangladesh in ODIs. Be a bit of a let down if they keep getting smashed in the Tests.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I hope this says a bit more about Bangladesh at home rather than just Bangladesh in ODIs. Be a bit of a let down if they keep getting smashed in the Tests.

Doubt it. Would've been smashed vs us in that test if it hadn't rained. They have a very very long way to go in tests.

 

[cnerd123]

They've been getting better in Tests tbf. Not that good yet, but they've managed quite a few draws recently. Batsmen have tonned up, they've had sessions where they've bowled well.

They just need to, IMO, pick another bowler. They keep going in with 8 batsmen and looking for the draw. Maybe in another year or so they'll feel confident enough to prepare a better pitch and pick an extra bowler and try to win.

 

[Prince EWS]

They've been getting better in Tests tbf. Not that good yet, but they've managed quite a few draws recently. Batsmen have tonned up, they've had sessions where they've bowled well.

They just need to, IMO, pick another bowler. They keep going in with 8 batsmen and looking for the draw. Maybe in another year or so they'll feel confident enough to prepare a better pitch and pick an extra bowler and try to win.

I think even just preparing a better pitch would make it interesting. It's true that they stick a batting allrounder at eight, but their best bowler bats in the top six so they've still got a pretty standard balance of four frontline bowlers and some batsmen who can bowl. Their bowling attack isn't light on so much as it's just not really good enough to be threatening on the pitches that are prepared.

 

[Howe_zat]

What attack should they pick? Shakib is pretty much their main spinner and all their batsmen bowl some offspin so it's just a case of picking 3 actual bowlers who aren't Mortaza.

Muztafizur, Rubel Hossain, Sohag Gazi, Shakib, Nasir Hossain?

'Do they have anyone better than Rubel' I suppose is the crux of the matter

 

[cnerd123]

I think even just preparing a better pitch would make it interesting. It's true that they stick a batting allrounder at eight, but their best bowler bats in the top six so they've still got a pretty standard balance of four frontline bowlers and some batsmen who can bowl. Their bowling attack isn't light on so much as it's just not really good enough to be threatening on the pitches that are prepared.

Fair points but, much like India, I feel the bowlers aren't fit enough to have just 4. Maybe on a helpful track they can take regular wickets and won't be bowled into the ground, but I doubt that will happen.

I'd go for the balance of:

Shakib, Rubel, one of Taijul/Gazi/Jubair/Sunny and two fit quick bowlers. I like the look of Shahid. He's fit too so he should play regularly. The second quick can be one of the young guns I guess (Mustafizur/Al Amin/Abdul/Taskin) selected on rotation as to avoid over bowling. Wouldn't mind seeing Shaiful or Robiul make a comeback tbh.

3 quicks 2 spinners, supported by Mahmadullah/Soumya/Mominul/Nasir/etc.

 

[OverratedSanity]

What attack should they pick? Shakib is pretty much their main spinner

Mustafizur might give him a run for his money if he comes good in tests.