CaptainGrumpy
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Who predominantly batted before Gilchrist in tests? What was their runs per match and SR. It works.
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Top ten greatest bowlers and batsmen of all time
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KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
Flower in an all time list is BS. He avged 22 in Eng, 26 in SA, 23 in Sri Lanka, 38 in Pakistan and he doesn't have any hundreds in 5 tests played in NZ. You want such a guy to be ahead of Gilchrist who has tons everywhere? seriously? Hayden ? No ... He was predominantly an Australian Bully with 21 hundreds at home out of his 30 ... Thats 70% ... Same with Sehwag who has like 60% at home ....!
Lets analysis Gilly's innings a bit if you wanna his Impact ...... Sehwag can only DREAM to have such impact !
01> When Australia were at 126/4 Gilchrist came out to bat in the 4th innings whicl chasing a big Total …. When he left they were at 369 and had won the match …. Not out !
2nd Test: Australia v Pakistan at Hobart, Nov 18-22, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
02> Aus at 104/6 …. Gilchrist came out to bat and when he left they were Finally at 252 ….
3rd Test: New Zealand v Australia at Hamilton, Mar 31-Apr 3, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
03> Aus at 203/6 …. Gilchrist arrives and when Team is all out then its score is on 396
2nd Test: Australia v West Indies at Perth, Dec 1-3, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
04> Aus at 99/5 …. Gilchrist arrives …. Aus finally makes 349 runs ….
1st Test: India v Australia at Mumbai, Feb 27-Mar 1, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
05> Low scoring encounter …. One point Aus were at 102/7 …. But yet they Reached 190 ….
3rd Test: England v Australia at Nottingham, Aug 2-4, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
06> 260/5 …. Had lost 4 quick wickets for Single Digit Scores from 224/1 …. Out comes Gilchrist and Aus are on 486/9 Declared ….
1st Test: Australia v New Zealand at Brisbane, Nov 8-12, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
07> Australia set a Total of 440 for Chasing …. Australia Almost chased this one …. They were 381/7 with Gilchrist on 83 not out when the match was drawn due to rains ….
3rd Test: Australia v New Zealand at Perth, Nov 30-Dec 4, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
08> 293/5 ….. There comes the Fastest Double Century in Tests at that Time …. 204 in 213 balls
1st Test: South Africa v Australia at Johannesburg, Feb 22-24, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
09> 2 Quick wickets fall for Aus ….. They r on 176/5 … 138 Not out
2nd Test: South Africa v Australia at Cape Town, Mar 8-12, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
10> 150/5 …. Gilly comes and they r on 363 Finally …
5th Test: Australia v England at Sydney, Jan 2-6, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
11> Both openers were out as well cheaply … 26/2 … …. Brilliant 144 !
2nd Test: Sri Lanka v Australia at Kandy, Mar 16-20, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
12> At 77/5 for Australia …. Out comes Gilly …. Valuable 80 runs
1st Test: Australia v Sri Lanka at Darwin, Jul 1-3, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
13> 256/5 .... Skipper Gilly took Aus to 474 ….
1st Test: India v Australia at Bangalore, Oct 6-10, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
14> 222/5 … Gilly arrived and took them to a 585 ….
1st Test: Australia v New Zealand at Brisbane, Nov 18-21, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
15> 78/5 ….. Gilchrist Arrives …. Australia reaches 381 Finally
1st Test: Australia v Pakistan at Perth, Dec 16-19, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
16> At 201/6 this innings was almost over for Australia …GillyTakes them to 432 .
1st Test: New Zealand v Australia at Christchurch, Mar 10-13, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
17> 247/5 …. But they made 570 … Gilchrist 162 !
2nd Test: New Zealand v Australia at Wellington, Mar 18-22, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
18> Vs WORLD 11 ….. Australia were at 163/4 … Gilly took them to 345 with a Brilliant 94 …
Only Test: Australia v ICC World XI at Sydney, Oct 14-17, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
19> 222/5 …. Opposition had made a massive 450+ score in the first innings … Humiliation was on cards for Aus … Gilly took them to a respectable 359 with his score of 86 .
3rd Test: Australia v South Africa at Sydney, Jan 2-6, 2006 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
20> Australia at 93/6 …. Gilly hitting a brilliant 144 !
1st Test: Bangladesh v Australia at Fatullah, Apr 9-13, 2006 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
21> 190/5 ….. Gilly comes at takes them to 393 ….
5th Test: Australia v England at Sydney, Jan 2-5, 2007 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
22> @ 318/4 Australia were just on Equal to Pakistan's first innings score & would have had to bat again in that Test chasing something good in the 4th innings ... Gilchrist eliminated that chance with his Quickfire century taking the score to 568 ...
3rd Test: Australia v Pakistan at Sydney, Jan 2-5, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
23> 102 vs England at Perth in 57 balls …. Second fastest century in history … He says he did not know about the record and not even the dressing room intimated him about that …. Gilly later said he was glad that he didn’t get there and said “ Viv deserves that mantle as the fastest hundred “ .
3rd Test: Australia v England at Perth, Dec 14-18, 2006 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
24> This was Gilly’s Test Debut ! …….. 81 in 88 balls …. Pak had a first innings score of 367 and when Gilly walked out to bat it was 342/5 at 92 odd overs and whole Team could have still been all out for 400 in a normal scenario … But Gilly’s batting motivated Shane warne to swing his bat a bit as well … Aus were at 575 runs roughly 45 Overs later with a massive 200+ Lead .
1st Test: Australia v Pakistan at Brisbane, Nov 5-9, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
25> 94 runs at Strike Rate of 85 Vs World 11 …. Coming in at 163/4 when he was dismissed for 7 down the scoreline was 331 and whole Aus Team made 345 …
Only Test: Australia v ICC World XI at Sydney, Oct 14-17, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
26> 77 runs in just 81 balls …. Last recognized batsman Waugh out at 349/5 and still the Total reached 489 …. Due to this Australia had to chase just 147 runs in spite of WI scoring almost 400 runs in the 4th innings ….
1st Test: West Indies v Australia at Georgetown, Apr 10-13, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
27> For the first time in the last 5-6 Tests Australia after crushing SA were finally finding themselves in a losing position ….. It was on 182/5 on Day 1 …… Coming in at 182/5 …. Gilly made 91 runs at 85+ Strike Rate … Bowler who seemed confident till then were now happy at containing runs …. Though this was no enough to save them from defeat yet it saved Australia from humiliation and took them to a respectable total of 315 ….
3rd Test: South Africa v Australia at Durban, Mar 15-18, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
28> At 197/5 Aus were not in the best of positions as Only Ponting and Gilly remained among the last recognized pair ……. 30 Overs later Gilly was out but Aus had added almost 150 runs …
2nd Test: Australia v India at Melbourne, Dec 26-30, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
29> Australia at 289/5 … Gilly and Steve Waugh .. last recognized pair batting … By the time Waugh got out Aus were on 360 … Gilchrist batting with tailenders quickly added almost 100 runs to tale Aus to 452 ….
5th Test: Australia v West Indies at Sydney, Jan 2-6, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
30> After scoring almost 300 runs in first innings and dismissing steve Waugh to leave Australia at 336/5 Eng had a chance to still remain in the Test …. But then arrived Gilchrist and hit a 152 in the next 45 odd Overs to take Australia to 576 when he was the last man out … With 2 days left and almost 300 runs behind England were already were already OUT of the match … Thanks to Gilchrist !
1st Test: England v Australia at Birmingham, Jul 5-8, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
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CaptainGrumpy
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Murali > Warne.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
Wow. I only fear what would happen if I said that Murali was greater than Warne.
Btw, Murali > Warne.
By the way Flower averaged 51.8 at home and 51.2 away. When given the luxury of batting 7, he averaged 70. In his second innings, home and away, he averaged 56. Such character. Such a fighter. Averaged 114 in India - a few more than GIlly I bet. Averaged 84 in wins, 66 in draws, and 46 in losses. No Ponting, no S Waugh, no Hayden. Just Flower.
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KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
I wouldn't compare the 2 and do lot of in-depth analysis on their match by match performance but then I give the Warne the nod since I like his aggression a lot. Moreover he has been great in the 90s as well as in the 00s decade while Murali wasn't very good in the 90s. That having said Murali bowled a lot at home and Warne picked lot of wickets outside and if we minus Bangladesh then Warne is ahead in Quality wickets. Add Warne's wickets lost to his total during the doping ban which he clearly got when he was bowling at his peak, unfriendly wickets which he bowled in his career he get an edge in my view. Murali yes has HUGE numbers but then had the conditions in his favour as well.
Regarding Andy at 7 did he change the course of any matches in some special way? I don't think so. He was gr8 in Indian conditions but thats just it. Gilly has been such a huge matchwinner and its no surprise that before 99n Aus were a good side but not invincible.... Since Gilly arrived in 99 Aus became invincible. Sure Hayden-Langer partnership played a big role in that too but then Gilchrist has been the difference between draws and wins and often bailed out Aus from tough situations.
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CaptainGrumpy
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And I take it Lillee and McGrath are better than Marshall and Hadlee?
Wow.
"Add Warne's wickets lost to his total during the doping ban which he clearly got when he was bowling at his peak".
That is amazing for many reasons.
I do find it kinda funny how Warne couldn't match Murali in the "helpful" Sri Lankan conditions, let alone West Indies; or in England and New Zealand. Those latter infamous spinning wickets. Or even against the Indians (home and away).
Should Murali have been no balled in Australia?
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KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
Well they did bowl head to head in SL in 2003/04 and Warne did picked 26 wickets @ 20.03
while Murali picked 28 @ a higher bowling average of 23 ... That was when Warne was fully fit and bowling at his best and so was Murali unlike the 99 year when Warne wasn't bowling that good and had a bad year.... ! McGrath > Hadlee for me .... Lillee, Marshall they are both wonderful bowlers of their time. I would rather not compare the 2.... Marshall has better overall records but then Lillee (played less in Asia-wi) is no less and was the original master....!
KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
Warne couldn't match the Indians, True ! However the question is could Murali match the Indians? He had equally horrible figures against the best players of spin and Sehwag massacred Murali like Sachin massacred Warne. I see no reason why Murali has any edge over Warne when it came to bowling @ Indians.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
And Hadlee against Lillee, who was better?
And should Murali,in your opinion, have been no balled in Australia?
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KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
Well, If I had to pick a bowling unit to bowl in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ conditions then my first pick will be Dennis Lillee before anyone. Sir Richard was a wonderful bowler and he excelled in a weak team which is true and something I respect a lot but then Lillee had raw speed and intimidating power which Hadlee/McGrath didn't really have. No one had in that capacity!
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
And should Murali have been no balled in Australia?
KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
No fault of Murali in that. The guy is born with some weird arm and not deliberately chucking so he shouldn't have been no balled. An enquiry should have been done with the match referee after the match. Daryl Hair is a no good fella, the whole world knows that now, so no worries.
Coronis
International Coach
I agree, Warne was the better bowler in the 90's, but it isn't as big of a gap as you make it out to be. Tbh, their starts aren't that dissimilar for that decade, apart from Warne playing more tests. Both actually played an equal number of matches home and away, and both took more wickets and had better averages at home. Warne averaged over 50 against India, and over 30 against the Windies and Zimbabwe. Murali averaged over 40 against Australia and India, and over 30 against Pakistan. The whole prepared pitches thing is an argument pulled out of everyone's ass. Explain why other spinners weren't successful if the pitches were prepared like that.
Oh and neither played once against Bangladesh in the 90's.
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KINGOFKINGS
Cricket Spectator
Warne's bowling avg outside Aus is 24.xy and strike rate is 54.7 or so .... Murali's bowling avg outside SL is 27.79 and Strike Rate is 61.8 ..... Now Warne's bowling avg in SL is 20.45 (Murali's home avg is 19.56) and strike rate is 39.6 (Murali's home strike rate is 50.8) ..... Warne suffered more than half his career with 60 strike rate in Aus on those unfriendly tracks while Murali feasted more than half his career on tracks where he could have 19-20 bowling avg ....Yet u say tracks didn't favour Murali ?
smash84
The Tiger King
By this argument SL batsmen were batting on spinning dust bowls all the time and their averages should count for more shouldn't they?
Migara
International Coach
Shh, people might get hurt when they get to know that Sanga is a better batsman than, say even Ponting going on the above argument.
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