kiwiviktor81
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I'm only saying this because posts get resurrected on CW after 9-10 years quite often - I reckon Williamson will finish with an ODI average of 55 and a Test average of 60.
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The Kane Williamson Average Watch thread
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wellAlbidarned
International Coach
Personally, I think KW will end his career with 16000 runs at 90, 454 wickets at 22, and have the Church of the Big Daddy Kane opened in his honour.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
It seems inevitable that unless he has major injury and form problems that Williamson will be NZ's greatest batsman.
What does he need to do to eclipse Hadlee as our greatest CRICKETER?
Average 55+ in both forms?
Lead us to no1 in the world in 3-4 years?
Win the 2019 & 2023 WCs?
Serious question
What does he need to do to eclipse Hadlee as our greatest CRICKETER?
Average 55+ in both forms?
Lead us to no1 in the world in 3-4 years?
Win the 2019 & 2023 WCs?
Serious question
OverratedSanity
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Have an epicly long career and keep piling up the runs throughout.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Hadlee was listed in the top 10 cricketers ever on CW's top 50. Crowe finished in the 40s iirc. For Williamson to finish in the top 8 cricketers of all time I would say he would have to have a test average over 65 and go over 450 runs in an inning. What he does in ODIs won't matter.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
He said to overtake Hadlee. And also how does he become an ATG batsman. What standard does he need to meet.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Finally.Common Sense.
It is ridiculous to even speculate on him overtaking Hadlee anyway. He would have to walk on water basically. Unless there are only 3-4 ATG batsman in the history of cricket then he would have to do a lot more than be an ATG batsman.
Flem274*
123/5
That's not being argued....
Flem274*
123/5
That's hyperbole and you know it.
If you're going to be so dogmatic then there is no point in discussing it. Hadlee is the second best bowling allrounder to play the game behind Imran Khan (who was a slightly lesser bowler and better batsman by just enough to pip Paddles for number one) but he wasn't Jesus. If Kane can do what I listed then the intangibles like captaincy will put him right up there with Hadlee.
As for whether you think he can be that good at bowling, this question isn't about what he will do but what he would need to do to be better than Hadlee. I am in no way predicting KW to be better than Sir Paddles.
I think his bowling has a bit more potential than you do though.
If you're going to be so dogmatic then there is no point in discussing it. Hadlee is the second best bowling allrounder to play the game behind Imran Khan (who was a slightly lesser bowler and better batsman by just enough to pip Paddles for number one) but he wasn't Jesus. If Kane can do what I listed then the intangibles like captaincy will put him right up there with Hadlee.
As for whether you think he can be that good at bowling, this question isn't about what he will do but what he would need to do to be better than Hadlee. I am in no way predicting KW to be better than Sir Paddles.
I think his bowling has a bit more potential than you do though.
Flem274*
123/5
100 tests not 100 wickets, though I guess after 100 tests as a hypothetical fifth bowler that good he'd be in the 80-150 test wickets range anyway.
Really? Vettori light years ahead in my book.
Oddly enough Craig just needs to bring that average down a bit and produce a few more match winning hauls to have john bracewell worried.
Really? Vettori light years ahead in my book.
Oddly enough Craig just needs to bring that average down a bit and produce a few more match winning hauls to have john bracewell worried.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
How many wickets did he get in the first inning. How many overs did he bowl in the first inning.
Playing your scenario of what it would take for him to be an allrounder and overtake Paddles. He would need to take at least 150 and preferably 200 wickets to be come into the ATG all rounder conversations. Any less than that and the average he takes them at is not important. E.g. 100 wickets at 35 is pish posh to be compared to Khan, and Hadlee as allrounders. Kallis barely makes the conversation despite have 292 wickets.
He is a batsman and should only be considered as such. Captaincy could help him, but hasn't tended to have helped players in their ranking conversations over the years except for Jardine.