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*Official* English Football Season 2014-15

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Nah man, can you just imagine him back in the EPL? The **** that would start between him and Jose alone would be worth it. Also he has unfinished business at Liverpool and I think with the kind of owners we have now he'd succeed more. He knows the league too. Of the available managers he's the best IMO.
 

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If Rodgers were to leave, which I highly doubt is even being considered by either the club or the man himself, I'd rather Rafa.
I don't even know what to say to this, it's so far away from any kind of opinion I could ever hope to understand.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
So if I understand right, the argument here is that the clubs whose position at the top was consolidated by the original TV revolution of the 60s and 70s have firmer long-term advantages than those whose position was cemented by the money influx of the 2000s. What are those advantages exactly? Is it a fanbase-size thing?
I don't even know what my point is anymore leave me alone. :ph34r: Guess it all depends what you term a 'big' club. To me history is a huge part of it and it's why Forest Green fans are having a lend when they say their player who just joined us took a sideways step.

The three I named have the steepest history and the biggest fanbases.

But hey, in twenty years chavs/City could be in double figures for titles and with the way they are building their brands globally...who knows. Maybe it is just generational.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah there's been such an outpouring of bollocks from the Liverpool Media Mafia against Sterling. He's being made out to be a complete dickhead for the heinous crime of wanting to move to a better team.
Seen a lot of good tweets about where they all were when Arsenal were losing people every year, and also when Liverpool were rinsing Southampton last summer.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah there's been such an outpouring of bollocks from the Liverpool Media Mafia against Sterling. He's being made out to be a complete dickhead for the heinous crime of wanting to move to a better team.
John Barnes in being a dick shocker!

Sterling has been a bit of a dick, I think we all agree on that, but not because he wants to leave.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
I don't even know what to say to this, it's so far away from any kind of opinion I could ever hope to understand.
Pretty simple: if we get rid of Rodgers I want the best manager available. I think that's Rafa. I'm sure a large segment of Liverpool fans agree. TBH, think you're overrating Klopp. He might take over and be a success or he could be a dud. I also don't think his kind of football is good for any long-term or sustained success, it requires too much physically from his players.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
It's the way he's gone about it. I think he can mention titles or what have you, but I don't accept that (as in, it's the only consideration). What were the months of negotiating for if it was never about the money? He says he would have signed at the end of last season/start of this season, so what changed?

I still think he has a right to go for the money if he wants to, but it adds to the perception against him. His interviews and the timing of his interviews have also been atrocious; it comes off as disrespectful to the club. Ever since this matter has started his form has dropped off quite a bit - this when we were still in the mix for the CL places.

He's made himself a target and not played his football to the level he purports himself to be.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I don't even know what my point is anymore leave me alone. :ph34r: Guess it all depends what you term a 'big' club. To me history is a huge part of it and it's why Forest Green fans are having a lend when they say their player who just joined us took a sideways step.

The three I named have the steepest history and the biggest fanbases.

But hey, in twenty years chavs/City could be in double figures for titles and with the way they are building their brands globally...who knows. Maybe it is just generational.
Chelsea are halfway there tbf, as much as it pains me to admit it. 4 titles in 10 years, 2 European trophies and a Champions League final as well as numerous semi final appearances.

They've also become self-sustaining, they're no longer just a Russian billionaire's plaything who sign big name players because he feels like throwing £50m at players. They pretty much paid for Diego Costa by selling Romelu Lukaku and signing Cesc was more than covered by selling David Luiz.
 

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He says he would have signed at the end of last season/start of this season, so what changed?
Liverpool are ****e now. Haven't you noticed?

I don't think he could get more money anywhere else. Anyone else would need to pay a big transfer fee, whereas Liverpool can just bang the spare money onto his contract and then recoup it if they sell him later. If anyone does outbid Liverpool for Sterling it'll be because they rate him much more highly, in which case he's well within his rights to go.

So the mercenary stuff only makes sense if he really wants to stay, and he's just doing this for show in an effort to make Liverpool offer him more money. If that's the case then Liverpool are ****ing him around by offering him less than he's worth and using the media to demean him into accepting it. But I think the more likely scenario is that, like basically every footballer, he wants to play CL football and challenge for trophies in a top-level team.

I know you don't change your mind on things, but I felt like ranting about this anyway and you put up a good straw man.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't even know what my point is anymore leave me alone. :ph34r: Guess it all depends what you term a 'big' club. To me history is a huge part of it and it's why Forest Green fans are having a lend when they say their player who just joined us took a sideways step.
Oh god every set of fans do this, us very much included.

Having said that every player that has left us for better things now players for a team that is considerably worse than us. Don't think that will be the case with the next few that leave though.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Oh god every set of fans do this, us very much included.

Having said that every player that has left us for better things now players for a team that is considerably worse than us. Don't think that will be the case with the next few that leave though.
Many of our players took steps down when released by us and are now back in league One. Such is life
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Oh god every set of fans do this, us very much included.

Having said that every player that has left us for better things now players for a team that is considerably worse than us. Don't think that will be the case with the next few that leave though.
Haha I remember there was that period when pretty much the entire Brentford squad ended up playing in the Premiership for Reading under Steve Coppell.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Liverpool are ****e now. Haven't you noticed?

I don't think he could get more money anywhere else. Anyone else would need to pay a big transfer fee, whereas Liverpool can just bang the spare money onto his contract and then recoup it if they sell him later. If anyone does outbid Liverpool for Sterling it'll be because they rate him much more highly, in which case he's well within his rights to go.

So the mercenary stuff only makes sense if he really wants to stay, and he's just doing this for show in an effort to make Liverpool offer him more money. If that's the case then Liverpool are ****ing him around by offering him less than he's worth and using the media to demean him into accepting it. But I think the more likely scenario is that, like basically every footballer, he wants to play CL football and challenge for trophies in a top-level team.

I know you don't change your mind on things, but I felt like ranting about this anyway and you put up a good straw man.
I think you're really missing the point here.

Sterling saying he would have signed if he was offered a contract in the summer is really his way of passing the buck, you have to be a bit naive to assume he didn't know Suarez was leaving - and if anything, the squad has been pumped with plenty of money so on the whole we're on an upward trend compared to most of his time at the club.

And you have me wrong. I'm all for his rights and getting his market value if he wishes. Pretty sure I even argued here that even at 150k his demands are a no-brainer and if the club didn't sign him simply to save money then heads should roll.

The discussion wasn't about that really, it was the way he and his agent have done everything. Liverpool has made it clear that they won't sell him. If Raheem felt the offer wasn't good enough or it wasn't about the money anyway; he could finish the rest of his contract or perhaps wait another season. Or he could put in an agreement that he ups his wages for the time being but if another club comes he can go - which is what happened with Suarez mid 2013/14 season - and that would also allow the club to ask for more money when he's sold. A win-win situation.

When Liverpool were in the midst of negotiating with him, Rodgers would get endless questions about what is happening with the contract negotiations - it is obvious his agent had leaked this information to the press to get his client suitors who're paying attention. And when Rodgers said we've given him what we think is a substantial offer, he booked that stupid unapproved interview and broke club policy - which actually made him look worse - and it is being claimed that the club forced his hand. In that interview, he said he wouldn't decide until the end of the season.

Fast forward to now, the season hasn't even ended and he is trying to put pressure on the club to sell him this transfer window. It shows he has been working inbetween for something else and hasn't been negotiating in good faith. Now if you accept that players have a right to go for the highest wages they can get; you also have to agree that he's already signed a contract and has two seasons left. It does nothing but weaken Liverpool's bargaining power for him to kick up such a fuss now. Nor has it helped him or the team between that time in the interview and now.

You can agree or disagree with a lot of things; but let's not pretend that people thinking he's a bit of a dick don't have cause here. He could get what he wants without the shady underhanded nonsense through the media. I think that's what was riling Carra up and many of the former pros. I mean, what is a contract worth then if you never intend to honour it? You sign for 4 years and then kick up such a PR stink that the club has to sell you in 2? That's the definition of being a dick.

And while I've never been an advocate of moves that tend to cut your nose off to spite your face; I'd love it if Henry did the same thing he did for Suarez and put his foot down. Even risked losing money over it. You don't want to set this precedent for a club like ours, who have major ambitions, by being manhandled by the demands of such a player. If it means in the long-run other players think twice, or it gets the respect of other incoming players; then that might mean more than the immediate financial gain.
 
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