*Official* English Football Season 2014-15

[Pothas]

That is great because he says there is nobody and then names one...

 

[sledger]

It's pretty dire piece. A few years ago Arsenal had produced more currently active England-eligible players than any other side apart from Man Utd.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

That is great because he says there is nobody and then names one...

I only scanned it, not in big letters so obviously he isn't very good.

 

[Pothas]

Liam Moore is pushing it as well. I mean he has already played loads for Leicester, is 22 and not all that great.

 

[Cabinet96]

Yeah, it lists one player for every club, but they just decide to make a meal out of it with Arsenal and try to pretend he's not as worthy. He's played in the Premier League this season.

It also bores me that people still go on about the lack of English players at Arsenal. If it weren't for injuries there'd be about five British players in the Arsenal first XI at the moment, with a few others in the squad. As it is most of them are on the peripheries because they'd had stop start careers. Hardly our fault. Or if it is, it's a completely different angle.

 

[Pothas]

Pritchard is seriously good though, has improved a huge amount as the season has gone on. They are somewhat different players but I refuse to believe he is not better than Ryan Mason.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

You're just looking for things to be offended by.

 

[Cabinet96]

Probably. Would help if it wasn't rammed down my throat every international week though.

 

[Furball]

That looks like it taken from the Sun Cabinet so doesn't count.

They do make a decent point though as other than Gibbs and Wilshere there haven't been many English youngsters make it at Arsenal in Wenger's time other than ones they have signed for decent money.

A few names on there I have never heard of, hope the guy writing the article knows his stuff.

You say 'only' Gibbs and Wilshere but that's still more than other big clubs.

I'd also argue the case for Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlaine.

 

[GIMH]

The bigger problem in English football is the stockpiling of young talent by the top clubs, not the number of English players they produce.

 

[sledger]

You say 'only' Gibbs and Wilshere but that's still more than other big clubs.

I'd also argue the case for Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlaine.

Not to mention the most objectionable left back of all time.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

You say 'only' Gibbs and Wilshere but that's still more than other big clubs.

I'd also argue the case for Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlaine.

Well both them are Southampton products actually. Hardly spent any time if any playing for Arsenal youth teams after being signed for massive money.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Not to mention the most objectionable left back of all time.

Clutching at straws going that far back, may as well let Man U claim Giggs, Beckham and co.

 

[sledger]

Clutching at straws going that far back, may as well let Man U claim Giggs, Beckham and co.

Well, yeah. Why not? You suggested that Arsenal under Wenger had not produced many good young players. I was merely pointing out that under Wenger Arsenal produced the most capped English fullback of all time.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Well, yeah. Why not? You suggested that Arsenal under Wenger had not produced many good young players. I was merely pointing out that under Wenger Arsenal produced the most capped English fullback of all time.

So 3 players in nearly 20 years. Whoopee.

 

[Uppercut]

There are some unintended consequences that the FA seem completely blind to. Firstly, all of the proposed restrictions apply to squads rather than first teams. So what Premiership teams are likely to do is load up the reserves with second-tier English players. Those English players would previously have been getting game time in the lower leagues, but now they're not. We've arguably already seen this effect after the CL restrictions came in, the careers of Jack Rodwell and Scott Sinclair were shot down altogether.

Secondly, it makes English players worth much more to English clubs than they are to overseas ones. So the chance of any English player getting experience in Germany or Spain is basically nil. And that insularity has always been a problem, but right now it's huge because we're in a phase of German and Spanish dominance. So we have these reforms aimed at getting more English players playing top-level football, but the Premiership probably isn't even top-level any more- there's clear daylight after La Liga. When it comes to getting more English players playing at that level, the reforms have the complete opposite effect.

 

[sledger]

So 3 players in nearly 20 years. Whoopee.

Quality > Quantity.

And as others have said, this record is no worse, and probably better, than the majority of other Premiership teams.

 

[sledger]

There are some unintended consequences that the FA seem completely blind to. Firstly, all of the proposed restrictions apply to squads rather than first teams. So what Premiership teams are likely to do is load up the reserves with second-tier English players. Those English players would previously have been getting game time in the lower leagues, but now they're not. We've arguably already seen this effect after the CL restrictions came in, the careers of Jack Rodwell and Scott Sinclair were shot down altogether.

Secondly, it makes English players worth much more to English clubs than they are to overseas ones. So the chance of any English player getting experience in Germany or Spain is basically nil. And that insularity has always been a problem, but right now it's huge because we're in a phase of German and Spanish dominance. So we have these reforms aimed at getting more English players playing top-level football, but the Premiership probably isn't even top-level any more- there's clear daylight after La Liga. When it comes to getting more English players playing at that level, the reforms have the complete opposite effect.

Yeah, I'm really not sure how the people at the FA have never picked up on this. The possibilty of these sorts of things happening should have been immediately obvious to whoever drafted the rules in the first place. The fact that EU law makes it illegal to discriminate on the basis of nationality also makes it impossible to avoid clubs having a bunch of overseas players counting as home grown anyway. It is a really poorly conceived framework of rules, and that's before you even get on to the rather questionable logic behind it.

 

[Cabinet96]

The bigger problem in English football is the stockpiling of young talent by the top clubs, not the number of English players they produce.

And subsequently you see those players play less and often stall in their development. To end it Hodgson and co would have to show themselves to be more prepared to select away from the top clubs though.

 

[Cabinet96]

Yeah, I'm really not sure how the people at the FA have never picked up on this. The possibilty of these sorts of things happening should have been immediately obvious to whoever drafted the rules in the first place. The fact that EU law makes it illegal to discriminate on the basis of nationality also makes it impossible to avoid clubs having a bunch of overseas players counting as home grown anyway. It is a really poorly conceived framework of rules, and that's before you even get on to the rather questionable logic behind it.

Yeah, what they're doing is making it three years before the 18th birthday, rather than 21st. So players like Fabregas, Clichy, Bellerin etc. who currently count as homegrown wouldn't under new rules. But clubs will adapt. They'll poach 14 year olds instead of 16 year olds.