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*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

OverratedSanity

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Given he's not in the main event, nothing wrong with that. Bryan as IC Champ would be good. Would give him a full set of WWE titles from when he joined.
Yeah guess so. Just sad he's not main event anymore and it's obvious they don't have any real plans for him at all.

Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose, Barrett all going after the best could be great though.
 

GIMH

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Yeah guess so. Just sad he's not main event anymore and it's obvious they don't have any real plans for him at all.

Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose, Barrett all going after the best could be great though.
Think of it as like when Jericho and Rey were going at it for the IC belt and what that did for the title
 

sledger

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I wouldn't mind this if his main event/WWE champion run actually had some sort of closure. The whole thing just feels a bit unfinished to me.
 

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I hope, and expect tbf, that he will...but I am a bit nervous about the whole thing. I just remember how after Jericho's Undisputed champ reign he basically just went back to the wilderness for about 4-5 years. Doubt that will happen with Bryan...but still...
 

andmark

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I really get the feeling though that the WWE never wanted Bryan as champion in the first place (a reflection of how out of touch they are) and so I'm not sure he will be champion again.
 

sledger

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I really get the feeling though that the WWE never wanted Bryan as champion in the first place (a reflection of how out of touch they are) and so I'm not sure he will be champion again.
Yeah, I fear this as well. The way they seemed to nonchantly think that Reigns would be automatically accepted as the Royal Rumble winner suggests to me that they think the Bryan wave of momentum is temporary and/or something they can quell/sweep under the carpet.
 

andmark

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Yeah, I fear this as well. The way they seemed to nonchantly think that Reigns would be automatically accepted as the Royal Rumble winner suggests to me that they think the Bryan wave of momentum is temporary and/or something they can quell/sweep under the carpet.
The stupid thing is that it shows they don't really care what the fans think.
 

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I really get the feeling though that the WWE never wanted Bryan as champion in the first place (a reflection of how out of touch they are) and so I'm not sure he will be champion again.
Well yeah they didn't. Even after his Wrestlemania win (which was all down to the overwhelming fan support) he was supposed to be the one to get destroyed by Lesnar at Summerslam and wouldn't have got a rematch.

In a way I'm glad Bryan got injured after Wrestlemania. Cena's legacy by this point is so entrenched that him losing doesn't hurt his image one bit, and I've been saying for a while now that he has to start putting over other big stars. Thankfully, and to his immense credit, he's clearly been doing that (**** guys like Hogan and HHH). But it's still interesting to think what would've happened to Bryan if he'd been on the recieving end of Brock's destruction at Summerslam. His popularity would've nosedived in the eys of casuals imo, because he had only just been built up to be the top guy.
 

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The stupid thing is that it shows they don't really care what the fans think.
It's not so much that they don't care imo, but more they underestimate the strength of the fans' convictions, and think that the fans will just accept whatever they're given provided it's dressed up nicely enough.
 

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It's not so much that they don't care imo, but more they underestimate the strength of the fans' convictions, and think that the fans will just accept whatever they're given provided it's dressed up nicely enough.
This is why Bryan's win at WM 30 was a mircale. Has the WWE ever been forced to do something completely against their wishes in the main event of their marquee show primarily because of fan support?
 
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GIMH

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The E care what their fans think because their business model depends on it. However, I don't think they necessarily understand what the fans do.

Or some people (Vince) don't, anyway. NXT suggests HHH does.
 

sledger

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It's a weird one really. Because presumably they don't rate Bryan enough to put him in the ME, but yet at the same time, the primary means of getting Reigns over seems to be by having Bryan put him over....It's a bit odd.
 

GIMH

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It's a weird one really. Because presumably they don't rate Bryan enough to put him in the ME, but yet at the same time, the primary means of getting Reigns over seems to be by having Bryan put him over....It's a bit odd.
I don't think it's that straightforwards. If they really didn't rate Bryan, they wouldn't have given him the belt last Mania, yes movement or not, and wouldn't have teased him winning it late in the year before when he won it I think once or twice only to lose it/be stripped.

I think it's more that they want to push Reigns and see that giving him the shot at Lesnar will help them make a star. Reaction at the Rumble suggests they are a long way off, but hey they could go out there and have a classic and there's no better way to win the fans over. So in the meantime, who better to put him over than Bryan?

Storyline wise, the timing of Bryan's declaration to HHH/Steph that he deserved the shot made little sense - he should have argued he shouldn't have to enter the Rumble etc on that basis. So they've either used that to justify the match where they'd get Reigns over, or they've shoehorned a story they were perhaps saving for post-Mania, where Bryan comes out, challenges Reigns and says, yeah great but you're not the real champion because you didn't beat me. And then boom, you have the Fast Lane match at Extreme Rules instead.

I dunno. All theoretical but I think they do rate Bryan, just not necessarily as the long-term Cena successor.

He'll get a good title run if there's money in it, I reckon. Either him or Cena are probably pencilled in as we speak to quickly take the belt off Reigns if he bombs as champ.

This is all assuming Reigns wins at Mania though, which tbf I'm not certain of.
 

sledger

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I don't think it's that straightforwards. If they really didn't rate Bryan, they wouldn't have given him the belt last Mania, yes movement or not, and wouldn't have teased him winning it late in the year before when he won it I think once or twice only to lose it/be stripped.

I think it's more that they want to push Reigns and see that giving him the shot at Lesnar will help them make a star. Reaction at the Rumble suggests they are a long way off, but hey they could go out there and have a classic and there's no better way to win the fans over. So in the meantime, who better to put him over than Bryan?

Storyline wise, the timing of Bryan's declaration to HHH/Steph that he deserved the shot made little sense - he should have argued he shouldn't have to enter the Rumble etc on that basis. So they've either used that to justify the match where they'd get Reigns over, or they've shoehorned a story they were perhaps saving for post-Mania, where Bryan comes out, challenges Reigns and says, yeah great but you're not the real champion because you didn't beat me. And then boom, you have the Fast Lane match at Extreme Rules instead.

I dunno. All theoretical but I think they do rate Bryan, just not necessarily as the long-term Cena successor.

He'll get a good title run if there's money in it, I reckon. Either him or Cena are probably pencilled in as we speak to quickly take the belt off Reigns if he bombs as champ.

This is all assuming Reigns wins at Mania though, which tbf I'm not certain of.
This really would explain an awful lot tbh.
 

GIMH

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Absolutely incredible Wrestlemania. Probably second only to X7 in my eyes, and only because that one was the pinnacle and culmination of the hottest era in wrestling history. That said, I get the feeling that when all is said and done and the dust settles, this one is also going to leave a hugely significant mark in said history. You need only look at the prevalent theme in all of the matches and results—and heck, even in the very first segment—for evidence: the future was put over the past.

The type of story they gave Bryan, and its ending, almost guarantees him a permanent spot as a top guy. Props to Evolution because they busted their asses to make him. It was amazing just how much they stacked the odds against him and how convincingly he overcame them all. Great stuff.

I can't believe the streak's over, but it makes perfect sense considering the kind of shift they're going for. Streak matches had no place in future WMs, and it was the right time to go. Now that that's taken care of, Taker can either retire in peace or start the build to his final match tonight by coming out to give a retirement speech and getting interrupted by Sting. That is the one match that stands to gain most from the breaking of the streak: there's no longer an inevitable outcome or an anti-WWE agenda. Just two guys who have nothing left to give but one final dance, and that's a dream match-calibre story. Sure, the match itself will suck all kinds of balls, but boy will it ever be a spectacle.

As for Brock, the thing that sets him apart from the other top 'heels' in this era is that he's not a heel due to circumstance (Batista) or storyline (HHH, Punk last year, etc). He's just a right **** and people love to hate him even if they appreciate him as a performer. That is what makes him the perfect choice to end the streak because, let's face it, it had gotten too big for its own good and the feat would've only shackled any up-and-comer who could've been considered big enough to take on Taker and win. And I mean that in terms of both the character and his popularity. Lesnar and Heyman, though, have nothing to lose from it, and it'll only give them absolutely nuclear heat. Most importantly, it'll be the right kind of heat you'd want for a streak breaker.

Where do we go from here? Well, if you think back to Lesnar's return two years ago, we were all hoping for him to be this all-conquering monster heel, but in reality he jobbed to Cena, HHH, and was pushed to the brink by Punk. I assume that was all done to 'punish' him for leaving the E high and dry when they'd pushed him to the moon, or simply because they didn't trust him not to leave again. He had to pay his proverbial dues in a way he could, huge star that he is. But now that they've given him this rub, you can bet your bottom dollar that that monster, monster heel run is coming. He'll win the title at Summerslam and carry it through fall and winter, all while having great programs with the likes of Bryan and Cesaro. Finally, he'll use all the heat that generates to make a new star at WM XXXI—the guy the E see as their next man, Roman Reigns.

Could Reigns have ended the streak himself? Maybe, but he wasn't ready this year. People are currently going crazy for the idea of Reigns, but his singles matches just aren't there yet. And one look at Taker this year should've told you that he was on his last legs and couldn't wait around for someone to be ready. So he passed the torch, and that heat will indirectly make a new star in the near future. I find it hilarious that people are up in arms about Lesnar because he's the perfect middleman for all of this.

Or maybe I'm just being too optimistic. There's a chance that the E could mess it all up again, and they very well may. But the way they handled WM XXX has left me with a sense of optimism I haven't felt in a long time. Heck, I almost feel embarrassed to be posting such a long rant, and yet here I am, about to click post anyway.
This was quite the post. Okay not everything is called right, but hey, good work.
 

OverratedSanity

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I still think an up and coming heel killing the streak would've worked perfectly. Not to say that Lesnar doing it hasn't worked too (never thought they'd follow it up the way they did at Summerslam).
 

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Random thought here... I was watching Jericho's DVD and had forgotten that on the night Jericho became undisputed champion, he actually beat Rock with a rockbottom. Can't remember any other big star being pinned by his own finisher.
 

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