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Weren't you having a cry at the start of the innings because the run rate was too slow?
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13th Match - India v South Africa
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Swingpanzee
International Regular
No 310. SA win, yes.
lets see when SAF bat. i have a feeling this is drastically short.
Prince EWS
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This innings has been a great victory against the evils of rigid selection ideology.
Technique and form junkies would've dropped Dhawan before the World Cup, arguing that his poor tour of Australia (both Tests and ODIs) proved he was either out of form, not cut out for the conditions or likely both. While I actually believe both of things to be true, to drop him based on them would've ignored the strength of his ODI record and his proven ability in this format on the international stage. There was always a chance he'd find a way to adapt and overcome his poor form; his ability to play an innings like this always meant he was worth picking.
On the flip side, stats junkies would've dropped Rahane, citing his poor List A and and ODI record. This would've ignored his undoubted improvement as a batsman over the last year, including in one day cricket, and his suitability to the conditions.
The beneficiary of dropping either of these players would've been Rayudu -- someone who has neither a great technique nor a great record, but who doesn't have the high-profile weakness under either criterion that Rahane and Dhawan each do in one.
Most people, including the Indian selectors, lie somewhere in the middle of those ideological extremes and advocate a mixed selection policy. I've seen both of the above arguments on CW though, and advocates of each have pointed to the supposed 'inconsistency' of selecting both. Used multi-faceted criteria is not inconsistent, however; it merely recognised that each player has his own unique case for selection.
I loathe to ever use one game as proof of anything, but Rayudu is completely incapable of playing either of the innings we saw on display today IMO; not just unlikely to.
On the flip side to India's selection vindication, South Africa have hopefully learned that McLaren having a bad series against Australia did not suddenly mean he was a worse option than Parnell. That was a terrible selection that has been shown up for what it was today.
Technique and form junkies would've dropped Dhawan before the World Cup, arguing that his poor tour of Australia (both Tests and ODIs) proved he was either out of form, not cut out for the conditions or likely both. While I actually believe both of things to be true, to drop him based on them would've ignored the strength of his ODI record and his proven ability in this format on the international stage. There was always a chance he'd find a way to adapt and overcome his poor form; his ability to play an innings like this always meant he was worth picking.
On the flip side, stats junkies would've dropped Rahane, citing his poor List A and and ODI record. This would've ignored his undoubted improvement as a batsman over the last year, including in one day cricket, and his suitability to the conditions.
The beneficiary of dropping either of these players would've been Rayudu -- someone who has neither a great technique nor a great record, but who doesn't have the high-profile weakness under either criterion that Rahane and Dhawan each do in one.
Most people, including the Indian selectors, lie somewhere in the middle of those ideological extremes and advocate a mixed selection policy. I've seen both of the above arguments on CW though, and advocates of each have pointed to the supposed 'inconsistency' of selecting both. Used multi-faceted criteria is not inconsistent, however; it merely recognised that each player has his own unique case for selection.
I loathe to ever use one game as proof of anything, but Rayudu is completely incapable of playing either of the innings we saw on display today IMO; not just unlikely to.
On the flip side to India's selection vindication, South Africa have hopefully learned that McLaren having a bad series against Australia did not suddenly mean he was a worse option than Parnell. That was a terrible selection that has been shown up for what it was today.
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OverratedSanity
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Hmm, slightly disappointing but it's ok. Time for SA to beat us and then choke in the quarters.
Grasshopper
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A good score, but probably a little short of a winning score. SA did very well to pull it back at the end.
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Steyn awesome at the death today. Think he's a far better death bowler when the wicket has pace and carry.
Swingpanzee
International Regular
308 isn't that big a score on this pitch imo, if SA don't **** up they will win this.
Athlai
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tl:dr
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Prince EWS
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Posted on my PC, and actually did mean to type beneficiary. Rayudu would've been the beneficiary of the decision to drop either player.
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Err, Beneficiary's the proper word in the context.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
This isn't Pakistan who made our bowling look better than it was. SA would back themselves to get it I think.
Bahnz
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Nah, having to slog through the death overs against Morkel and Steyn was always going to be an uphill struggle. Think India's efforts in that respect were about par.
Should be an interesting chase - not big enough to be scary, but there's still plenty of pressure on one or both of South Africa's golden duo to do the heavy lifting. Backing them to get there in the 49th.