Are tons really that impressive in this era?

[cnerd123]

Incredibly awful performance here from Blocky. He's just spraying it all over the place. The batting side seem set to declare soon.

 

[Blocky]

It's almost like listening to the Channel 9 commentary team..

"This is the greatest Australian team of all time... they beat every other Australian team ever.... but let's ignore the fact that they just got absolutely trounced and except for Warner, could hardly buy a run against a side that scored centuries at will against their bowlers"

 

[cnerd123]

Cricket Records | Records | Pakistan v Australia Test Series, 2014/15 - Australia | Batting and bowling averages | ESPN Cricinfo

The same bowling attack that we're seeing in this series is apparently light years ahead of Gillespie, Bichel, Lee and MacGill? You do need a lie down.

Bowling in UAE = Bowling in Aus.

Fantastic logic. Remind me to use this in my next debate with you.

 

[Jono]

Dravid - didn't perform in 1999, 2007 or 2011 Aust tours.

Performed in 2003/04.

So the whole "he gets benefit of doubt because of his years of run making" stuff doesn't fly. Never been that good in Aust other than that one awesome series (which was amazing, but was against worse bowling than Kohli is facing and with better bats around him).

 

[Flem274*]

BINGO.

Conditions and the team they're facing - where they struggled like **** despite the team they're facing not exactly having the greatest attack in the world. Smith didn't score many there did he?

The whole point is "This series has the worst bowlers, on some of the easiest batting wickets, so much so that almost every player for Australia is setting batting records"

Yasir Shah and Zulfiqur Babar are perfect for the UAE.

The UAE - the country where Mohammad Hafeez can make world class fast bowlers look club level. The country where you have to bowl spin to take wickets but while Pakistan get to bowl at you, you get to bowl at Younis Khan and Misbah ul Haq.

You could not design a more perfect environment to take out an Australian side who win on the back of their fast bowling battery, especially when they're insistent on doing things like Maxwell the test #3.

There is just no correlation between performances in the UAE and performances in Australia. None. What do you think would happen to Hafeez if he took guard after lunch today?

Smith did ok in the UAE too iirc, and was Australia's shining light when they toured India.

So now we know Smith can bat well in spin bowling conditions, fast bowling conditions (South Africa) and bully chumps at home.

Not a bad player really.

 

[Blocky]

Bowling in UAE = Bowling in Aus.

Fantastic logic. Remind me to use this in my next debate with you.

You seem to forget that the main point of this argument is how bad the bowling is, combined with how easy the pitches are to bat on = the reason so many records are being broken. Because you forget this point, you constantly go in a circular debate which sees you completely forget that against a harder opposition in conditions that weren't so friendly, these record breaking "you can't just say it's down to bad bowling and pitches" batsmen who break every record before them couldn't hardly buy a run compared to their form here.

At least by arguing this way, you constantly get to feel like you're right, because you're constantly changing your argument to suit

I've been pretty consistent. Smith's series is down to **** bowling, on easy wickets. Kohli's series has been the same, although he's faced the better bowlers, more pressure and been away from home.

 

[Binkley]

Does every thread here have to turn into a Blockyfest? Just use the Ignore List function fellas. It is good for your blood pressure.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Blocky wants to talk bowling averages?

Here's the 03/04 series. Australian bowlers took an absolute pasting.

Here's the current series. Not great reading but still looks a whole lot better.

Oh and Gillespie the best bowler from 97-05? That's outrageous. No way.

 

[Flem274*]

You seem to forget that the main point of this argument is how bad the bowling is, combined with how easy the pitches are to bat on = the reason so many records are being broken. Because you forget this point, you constantly go in a circular debate which sees you completely forget that against a harder opposition in conditions that weren't so friendly, these record breaking "you can't just say it's down to bad bowling and pitches" batsmen who break every record before them couldn't hardly buy a run compared to their form here.

At least by arguing this way, you constantly get to feel like you're right, because you're constantly changing your argument to suit

I've been pretty consistent. Smith's series is down to **** bowling, on easy wickets. Kohli's series has been the same, although he's faced the better bowlers, more pressure and been away from home.

McCullum's 2014 and Kane's 2014 down to **** bowling and roads then. They're secretly hacks.

 

[Flem274*]

Blocky is putting on an even worse performance than Rahul Dravid's Son did on debut.

 

[Blocky]

McCullum's 2014 and Kane's 2014 down to **** bowling and roads then. They're secretly hacks.

I've already said that their records are far above and beyond due to the conditions they've batted in and the bowlers they've faced.

 

[cnerd123]

You seem to forget that the main point of this argument is how bad the bowling is, combined with how easy the pitches are to bat on = the reason so many records are being broken. Because you forget this point, you constantly go in a circular debate which sees you completely forget that against a harder opposition in conditions that weren't so friendly, these record breaking "you can't just say it's down to bad bowling and pitches" batsmen who break every record before them couldn't hardly buy a run compared to their form here.

At least by arguing this way, you constantly get to feel like you're right, because you're constantly changing your argument to suit

I've been pretty consistent. Smith's series is down to **** bowling, on easy wickets. Kohli's series has been the same, although he's faced the better bowlers, more pressure and been away from home.

Blocky brings up Dravid in 03/04
Blocky attempts to prove Kohli 14/15 < Dravid 03/04
Blocky loses
Blocky accuses people of missing the whole point of the debate and going around in circles



I love you man. Never change.

So now that Blocky has retired hurt, do we go back to berating WW?

 

[Blocky]

Blocky wants to talk bowling averages?

Here's the 03/04 series. Australian bowlers took an absolute pasting.

Here's the current series. Not great reading but still looks a whole lot better.

Oh and Gillespie the best bowler from 97-05? That's outrageous. No way.

Go ask an Australian how good Gillespie was during that period.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Cricket Records | Records | Pakistan v Australia Test Series, 2014/15 - Australia | Batting and bowling averages | ESPN Cricinfo

The same bowling attack that we're seeing in this series is apparently light years ahead of Gillespie, Bichel, Lee and MacGill? You do need a lie down.

But then in that series VVS filled his boots too. Sachin was in awful form but still got a double hundred and averaged sonething massive Ganguly, who was average against quality pace scored a big hundred . How do you explain all that?

I love the logic though. Kohli scores a mountain of runs, with Rahane and Vijay also scoring lots => Australian bowlers averages shooting up=> Aussie bowlers are thus crap=> Therefore Kohli wasn't great. How do you not get that this is ****ing ridiculous circular logic.?!

 

[Blocky]

Blocky brings up Dravid in 03/04
Blocky attempts to prove Kohli 14/15 < Dravid 03/04
Blocky loses
Blocky accuses people of missing the whole point of the debate and going around in circles



I love you man. Never change.

So now that Blocky has retired hurt, do we go back to berating WW?

Is Kohli a better batsman than Dravid? I like how you conviniently ignore Steven Smith in the post though, again - making the argument about what you want to argue, rather than what it actually is.

 

[cnerd123]

Go ask an Australian how good Gillespie was during that period.

Go ask an Indian how good Kohli is now.
Go ask an Australia how good Smith is now.
Go ask an Australia how good Harris has been this series.
Go ask a Pakistani how good Babar and Shah have been in the UAE
Go ask a CWer how dire your posting has been.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Go ask an Australian how good Gillespie was during that period.

Haha please ask an Australian how good Gillespie Bichel Lee Williams Bracken and MacGill were in the 03/04 series. I beg you.

 

[Blocky]

But then in that series VVS filled his boots too. Sachin was in awful form but still got a double hundred and averaged sonething massive Ganguly, who was average against quality pace scored a big hundred . How do you explain all that?

I love the logic though. Kohli scores a mountain of runs, with Rahane and Vijay also scoring lots => Australian bowlers averages shooting up=> Aussie bowlers are thus crap=> Therefore Kohli wasn't great. How do you not get that this is ****ing ridiculous circular logic.?!

1. You're focusing on Kohli when my harsh criticism is against Smith
2. You're conviniently forgetting how good MacGill and Gillespie were and trying to think up reasons to discredit Dravid, Tendulkar and VVS which is especially hilarious for me because I never thought an Indian would ever discredit those three.
3. Australia's bowling averages aren't shooting up - they were never down to begin with either due to being recent debutants or **** (Starc comes to mind) or out of form (Johnson comes to mind)
4. You're conviniently avoiding the point that series records are being broken by both sides due to how easy batting conditions are and how bad the bowling attacks are
5. You're conviniently avoiding how many runs were scored against this attack in the UAE - when a guy like Mark Craig was a world beater there.

Go figure.

 

[cnerd123]

Is Kohli a better batsman than Dravid? I like how you conviniently ignore Steven Smith in the post though, again - making the argument about what you want to argue, rather than what it actually is.

Dravid's career vs. Kohli's career? No. Better than Dravid around 03/04? Quite possibly yes.

Also I like how you conveniently ignore my post about Steven Smith so you can accuse me about conveniently ignoring Steven Smith thus making the argument about what you want to argue, rather than what it actually is.

Also, regarding Smith being **** before this series - he was averaging 54 in the year leading up to the series. Played 8 matches - vs. England in Aus, vs. Pak in UAE and vs. RSA in RSA.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[OverratedSanity]

technically circular logic starts and ends at the same place, using logic to conclude the original assumed premise.

this, on the other hand, uses "logic" to conclude the original assumed premise was wrong, which is generally called proof by contradiction and a sign that the argument is full of **** and that something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

I apologize. I shall just call it **** logic henceforth.