Top Five Most Underrated Cricketers Ever.

[BeeGee]

Neil Wagner

 

[NZTailender]

I don't think there's a fan club as so much there are People Who Have Watched Test Cricket and Recognise a Great Player and the Value He Had Club. (PWHTCRGPVHHC)

Who also, it should be added, are fans of Pollock.

 

[viriya]

None of your arguments made any sense whatsoever... you deviated so far from the original debate (ie) Pollock not being that good with the bat, compared to all rounders like Botham, Miller, Imran and Dev. And if you aren't a gilly fanboy, well, it's your loss

The only point I wanted to make was that Pollock's 32 average shouldn't be written off. Some people seem not to consider him a genuine all-rounder for some reason. Gilly was a comparison I made because someone claimed Pollock didn't do anything to help the team in a tough spot compared to someone like Gilly. I'm sure he has, just that I didn't watch enough of SA games back then to know.

 

[Red]

No one's dismissing the 32 avg of a #8. Pollock was a good bat who at times made important runs.

Maybe we should drop the Gilly comparison though because you know, oranges and apples...

 

[viriya]

No one's dismissing the 32 avg of a #8. Pollock was a good bat who at times made important runs.

That's the whole point, early on in this thread people were dismissing his 32 avg. I think people lost context and just looked at the comparison with Gilly.

 

[harsh.ag]

Oranges and Auranges

 

[ImpatientLime]

bob taylor. quite possibly the greatest keeper england ever produced, definitely superior to knott behind the sticks.

 

[harsh.ag]

Jeffrey Stollmeyer

Quite underrated. 4 centuries and 12 fifties in 32 tests as an opening batsman for the Windies post WWII, with a fourth innings average of 86. Wisden has the following to say about him

Tall and graceful with a good range of strokes marked especially by the drive, he made his major impact on the international scene with his solid left-hand opening partner, Allan Rae, providing the base on which Weekes, Worrell and Walcott were to build so effectively on the 1950 tour of England. It was this series, won 3-1, that catapulted West Indies into the top rank of Test teams.

 

[fredfertang]

...... and the only Test cricketer to have been a murder victim

 

[wpdavid]

Dennis Amiss

Completely written off by some due to his horror show against Lillee & Thomson in 1974/75, by which logic we may as well also write off most of the WI batsmen who toured Aus 12 months later.

 

[harsh.ag]

Dennis Amiss

Completely written off by some due to his horror show against Lillee & Thomson in 1974/75, by which logic we may as well also write off most of the WI batsmen who toured Aus 12 months later.

The same could potentially happen to Jonathan Trott's legacy, which would be sad.

 

[Chubb]

Jeffrey Stollmeyer

Quite underrated. 4 centuries and 12 fifties in 32 tests as an opening batsman for the Windies post WWII, with a fourth innings average of 86. Wisden has the following to say about him

Pretty much without question the best white West Indian player ever. I know Roy Marshall and Gerry Gomez have decent claims but Stollmeyer has the test record to back it up. He was certainly the only one who actually merited being captain too.

He'd also be right up there in the top five batsmen produced by Trinidad.

 

[Burgey]

...... and the only Test cricketer to have been a murder victim

Depends who you ask about Bob Woolmer...

 

[marc71178]

The only point I wanted to make was that Pollock's 32 average shouldn't be written off. Some people seem not to consider him a genuine all-rounder for some reason.

Erm, because he was never that good a batsman to be classed a genuine all rounder but more a useful lower order man is the reason. The reasoning being gained not from watching spreadsheets but from watching him.

 

[fredfertang]

Pretty much without question the best white West Indian player ever. I know Roy Marshall and Gerry Gomez have decent claims but Stollmeyer has the test record to back it up. He was certainly the only one who actually merited being captain too.

He'd also be right up there in the top five batsmen produced by Trinidad.

If you place any faith in averages he's not even half as good as his own brother

 

[viriya]

Erm, because he was never that good a batsman to be classed a genuine all rounder but more a useful lower order man is the reason. The reasoning being gained not from watching spreadsheets but from watching him.

"Eyes not spreadsheets"

Why do you hate Excel so?

It's niiiice - I like.

 

[marc71178]

I love spreadsheets, for work.

Cricket however requires watching, not looking at scorecards and stats.

 

[viriya]

I love spreadsheets, for work.

Cricket however requires watching, not looking at scorecards and stats.

You think all my arguments are based on numbers? Shaun Pollock lived in an age that didn't allow me to see him live unfortunately.. if I only could..

 

[marc71178]

If they're not then you're doing a very good idea of hiding it. Example being the Ryan Harris thread, what's the first thing you mention?

 

[viriya]

If they're not then you're doing a very good idea of hiding it. Example being the Ryan Harris thread, what's the first thing you mention?

Is he a late bloomer? Sorry I don't follow Aussie domestic cricket.

And Shaun Pollock was a genuine all-rounder.. a lower order batsman that was capable.