The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[fredfertang]

The rarely picked in an Australian All Time XI XI

Woodfull
Lawry
Boon
McCabe
Hassett
Hussey
Healy
Gregory
Trumble
Turner
Johnston

Jackson and McDonald for Lawry and Trumble

 

[fredfertang]

You seem to have 17 players in that team.

Jimmy Amarnath and Lord Snooty not the most terrifying opening attack

 

[dogwalker]

probably the least terrifying attack of all time. Will give them that

 

[Teja.]

Post 1 Jan 2010 XI (The Noughties XI)

1. AN Cook
2. DA Warner
3. KC Sangakkara
4. HM Amla
5. S Chanderpaul
6. JH Kallis
7. AB de Villiers (wk)
8. MG Johnson
9. RJ Harris
10. DW Steyn
11. HMRKB Herath

12. VD Philander injury cover for RJ Harris and will also get priority on seaming tracks.

 

[Red]

Jardine and Knott for May and Ames

I like what footage I've seen of May too much to not include him.

Happy with Knott over Ames, but I feel like Ames balances the team better with Botham in it. Strengthens the batting.

How do you think Ames and Knott compare as batsmen?

 

[fredfertang]

How do you think Ames and Knott compare as batsmen?

It's a very difficult comparison. Ames has much better stats and was clearly more consistent but didn't do so well against the very best, but obviously I never saw him play - Knotty however I did see, many times, and if you're in a hole his courage and unorthodoxy would be much more likely to get you out of it

 

[watson]

 

[Red]

Just after 2.30 in that vid, Knott gets 7 off one ball- ran one, then two overthrows, then four more overthrows.

Assuming it's not the end of the over, should Knott be at the non strikers end next ball?

 

[weldone]

Jimmy Amarnath and Lord Snooty not the most terrifying opening attack

 

[weldone]

Super-quick ranking of Indian test batsmen:

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Virender Sehwag
5. VVS Laxman
6. Vijay Merchant
7. Vijay Hazare
8. Gundappa Vishwanath
9. Mohammad Azharuddin
10. Mohinder Amarnath
11. Dilip Vengsarkar
12. Sourav Ganguly
13. Navjot Sidhu
14. Polly Umrigar
15. MAK Pataudi
16. ML Jaisimha
17. Sanjay Manjrekar

18. Gautam Gambhir
19. Kapil Dev

 

[the big bambino]

Jimmy Amarnath and Lord Snooty not the most terrifying opening attack

Probably better than Waite and a hobbling Stan McCabe at the oval in 1938. Bradman's greatness as a batsman is unquestioned but as a selector and administrator he pulled some real boners. Dropping Grimmett for Ward, not picking Miller, picking one injury prone fast bowler for a tour of England, picking only 2 bowlers for a timeless test, failing to listen to player's concerns over touring schedules and payments and thereby triggering WSC...yep he authoured some classic boners alright.

 

[fredfertang]

All Time Lawyers XI

Jeff Stollmeyer (West Indies)
Pelham Warner (England)
William Bruce (Australia)
Jack Mason (England)
*Douglas Jardine (England)
Clive Van Ryneveld (South Africa)
Learie Constantine (West Indies)
+Dave Richardson (South Africa)
Charles Townsend (England)
Buster Nupen (South Africa)
John Traicos (South Africa and Zimbabwe)

Carrying the drinks

Cameron Burge (Australia)

Couldn't find any from the sub-continent

 

[watson]

There must be a Convicted Criminals XI to play them. Ideas?

 

[cnerd123]

Sangakarra is a law student IIRC.

 

[Flem274*]

not having Hutton or Sutcliffe opening is a travesty. Chuck in Compton in the middle order too. Nice fast bowling outfit but your spinners look a little nonexistent.

5 x Pace bowlers is probably a bit much, so Laker/Underwood/Verity for Larwood. Otherwise no major issues apart for a minor tweak - KP at 4, and Gower at 5. Not convinced that Hammond is the best player of fast bowling in the world, but again not a major issue.

No Hutton or Laker are big omissions. 6 pacers is overkill. Hammond easily fills the allrounder role.

cbf picking the entire pile of really old school players England need to pick to keep up with some of the other countries

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[andmark]

Through my admitted ignorance I have never been able to appreciate Imran Khan (both as a cricketer and politician!) and subsequently see him as being overrated compared to his fellow Pakistani swing bowlers and pace bowlers in general. What performances should I seek out to correct this ignorance, I'm sure, on my part?

 

[NUFAN]

All Time Lawyers XI

Jeff Stollmeyer (West Indies)
Pelham Warner (England)
William Bruce (Australia)
Jack Mason (England)
*Douglas Jardine (England)
Clive Van Ryneveld (South Africa)
Learie Constantine (West Indies)
+Dave Richardson (South Africa)
Charles Townsend (England)
Buster Nupen (South Africa)
John Traicos (South Africa and Zimbabwe)

Carrying the drinks

Cameron Burge (Australia)

Couldn't find any from the sub-continent

Will this team dominate? The jury is still out.

 

[smash84]

Through my admitted ignorance I have never been able to appreciate Imran Khan (both as a cricketer and politician!) and subsequently see him as being overrated compared to his fellow Pakistani swing bowlers and pace bowlers in general. What performances should I seek out to correct this ignorance, I'm sure, on my part?

His bowling peak is the greatest bowling peak of any bowler post world war II (according to ICC peak ratings).

Look up his record against the best team of his time and his match winning ability

vs England in 1982, 1987 vs India in 82-83 vs WI in 1986 and 1988

 

[Red]

We should try to compile the greatest all time state/county/first class XIs. To be eligible, a player should've begun his career with that particular FC Team

NSW
Arthur Morris
Bob Simpson
Don Bradman
Victor Trumper
Charlie Macartney
Steve Waugh
Bert Olfield
Alan Davidson
Ray Lindwall
Charles Turner
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

 

[Lillian Thomson]

We should try to compile the greatest all time state/county/first class XIs. To be eligible, a player should've begun his career with that particular FC Team

NSW
Arthur Morris
Bob Simpson
Don Bradman
Victor Trumper
Charlie Macartney
Steve Waugh
Bert Olfield
Alan Davidson
Ray Lindwall
Charles Turner
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

KENT
1. Wally Hardinge
2. Brian Luckhurst
3. Colin Cowdrey
4. Frank Wooley
5. Les Ames
6. Percy Chapman
7. Alan Knott
8. Graham Dilley
9. Derek Underwood
10.Doug Wright
11.Arthur Fielder

I've probably forgotten someone obvious and cheated to get two keepers in, but four and a half minutes was all I could spare for the task.