*Official* English Football Season 2014-15

[GIMH]

And most importantly you've just been humiliated by a club whose only existed since around the same time the Glaziers took over

 

[Furball]

4-0

Oh, and I'm not writing Celtic off yet, it's only full time. There's still time for them to pull through.

 

[Uppercut]

What would be the financial impact if we, say, didn't qualify for Europe for three or four years? £200m in 18 months seems like a lot, and if anything we've got worse in that time. Doing a Leeds?

 

[Furball]

I'm not claiming that we didn't spend money. Obviously we did, and were usually one of the higher spenders. However other than 1998, we were never the highest. You cannot possibly argue with that, as it is there in black and white. Stam wasn't £17m, also. We've spent far more money (even inflation adjusted) in the 2000s than we did in the 1990s.

Our net spend from 1992-98 was negative. Admittedly those are cherry-picked years as we bought three major players in 1991 (albeit all were cheap really relative to what they offered - Schmeichel, Kanchelskis and Parker), and we obviously spent a lot in 1998. But it illustrates the point further.

Other than Blackburn between 1992 and 1995, who was outspending you?

 

[Jarquis]

Who actually gives a **** about 1992 right now?

 

[Tom Halsey]

Not that only, of course. But some people who didn't dream of picking MUFC as their favourite club did it partly because they were distorting the competition and they were a symbol of the Sky-BPL-PLC-boom. Other people were totally okay with jumping on that bandwagon and now are complaining because the Glazers are using it as they could with any other plc.

Don't really get the logic. Same logic says that voting in an election is a tacit acceptance of a democracy and the possibility of someone you don't like winning, and thus no-one should be able to complain about them, surely? I mean that seems silly.

 

[GIMH]

Other than Blackburn between 1992 and 1995, who was outspending you?

Liverpool?

Broke the record in 92 on Saunders, spent £8.5m on Collymore in 95, £4.5m on that **** McAteer, also Nigel Clough, Julian Dicks, Phil Babb, John Scales, Paul Stewart, David James, all big fees

 

[Uppercut]

And most importantly you've just been humiliated by a club whose only existed since around the same time the Glaziers took over

I'm not really getting the strength of reaction to this one. The team selection and subs just screamed "don't care if we lose 4-0"; eight first-teamers out injured and the ten that played on Sunday left out. This kind of thing happened fairly often under Fergie.

The game on Sunday was a much more embarrassing/concerning performance.

 

[GIMH]

I'm not really getting the strength of reaction to this one. The team selection and subs just screamed "don't care if we lose 4-0"; eight first-teamers out injured and the ten that played on Sunday left out. This kind of thing happened fairly often under Fergie.

The game on Sunday was a much more embarrassing/concerning performance.

A - United losing is always funny
B - United reserves should beat any championship side never mind a bang average L1 outfit

 

[Ikki]

I'm not claiming that we didn't spend money. Obviously we did, and were usually one of the higher spenders. However other than 1998, we were never the highest. You cannot possibly argue with that, as it is there in black and white. Stam wasn't £17m, also. We've spent far more money (even inflation adjusted) in the 2000s than we did in the 1990s.

Our net spend from 1992-98 was negative. Admittedly those are cherry-picked years as we bought three major players in 1991 (albeit all were cheap really relative to what they offered - Schmeichel, Kanchelskis and Parker), and we obviously spent a lot in 1998. But it illustrates the point further.

I think it's irrelevant ultimately. Who cares if you're the highest in the year if you're the 2nd highest in several years? You're the 3rd highest spenders in the EPL era (after City and Chelsea) despite the fact that for the majority of it you already had a core of players responsible for much of those titles and who didn't cost you anything. Or you built the bulk of your side before the figures got astronomically inflated which helps you further in these comparisons.

And between 92-98, you only had a negative net spend for two seasons. Just lumping the seasons together to come to a net negative is disingenuous and that's being kind. As you admit later, you spent a ****load of money just the season after. What's stops you considering the net spend for 92-99?

 

[Ikki]

I'm not really getting the strength of reaction to this one. The team selection and subs just screamed "don't care if we lose 4-0"; eight first-teamers out injured and the ten that played on Sunday left out. This kind of thing happened fairly often under Fergie.

The game on Sunday was a much more embarrassing/concerning performance.

There's no reason for LVG to be fielding such a weak side. You guys aren't in Europe and you're playing Burnley on the weekend FFS.

 

[Ikki]

Yeah Stam was £10m,

17m Euros.

 

[GIMH]

17m Euros.

Euros didn't even exist then dude

 

[Tom Halsey]

Other than Blackburn between 1992 and 1995, who was outspending you?

Everyone, given for most of the 90s we had a negative spend (something even I admittedly didn't realise until just now when I was playing around with figures).

Arsenal and Liverpool both spent more than we paid for Cole in the same year for instance, but I never hear anything about that. Obviously Newcastle also more than doubled it just 18 months later.

 

[Ikki]

Euros didn't even exist then dude

I know, but that's what it's listed as on the wiki for the Dutch transfer record. I just remembered he was some Dutch record and looked it up there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_football_transfer_record

Everyone, given for most of the 90s we had a negative spend (something even I admittedly didn't realise until just now when I was playing around with figures).

Arsenal and Liverpool both spent more than we paid for Cole in the same year for instance, but I never hear anything about that. Obviously Newcastle also more than doubled it just 18 months later.

Pretty sure United were spending a lot even before the 90s. I don't think there is much of a point to be had. United have been a wealthy team, spending a lot, but have also produced their own talent too. It's not like people pulled the distinction from their rears.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I'm not really getting the strength of reaction to this one. The team selection and subs just screamed "don't care if we lose 4-0"; eight first-teamers out injured and the ten that played on Sunday left out. This kind of thing happened fairly often under Fergie.

The game on Sunday was a much more embarrassing/concerning performance.

Agree with this but I don't think any of us expected 4-0 so it's understandable. Barring the 3-0 first leg defeat to York I can't remember anything as embarrassing in the League Cup as they were all smaller defeats, even if they were to clubs where we wouldn't expect to lose, to put it mildly.

The performance on Sunday was obviously far more concerning though, yeah.

 

[King Pietersen]

#BringBackMoyes

 

[GIMH]

Liverpool?

Broke the record in 92 on Saunders, spent £8.5m on Collymore in 95, £4.5m on that **** McAteer, also Nigel Clough, Julian Dicks, Phil Babb, John Scales, Paul Stewart, David James, all big fees

Shame on the lot of you for not acknowledging this astounding set of transfers

 

[Eds]

I sort of think that, ignoring Liverpool, who will always be the most detested whatever happens, the rest depends to a pretty large extent on who are the biggest competitive rivals at the time. A new United fan would say City are the bigger rivals, whereas my dad would undoubtedly say Leeds, by a distance. An example of how the rivalries can change is Arsenal. 10 years ago they were as hated as anyone bar Liverpool, now United fans don't really have any bad feelings towards them at all. When they were putting in their big title challenge in January last year () they were the clear preferred choice to win it amongst United fans.

Shame really. Even as a Liverpool fan, circa 2003, Arsenal v United was always the game I looked forward to each season more than any other.

 

[sledger]

Not sure whether I enjoyed the Utd or Celtic result more tbh.