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Chris Jordan Fan Club/Apprection Thread
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viriya
International Captain
in swinging conditions*
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Anderson is good in all conditions but yeah. I'm not too familiar with England's bowlers but it sounds like Moeen Ali is the one who might pick up a spinning allrounder's slot in which case sub him in for Woakes. I'm not really even sure if Woakes would be the one to get the 5th seamer slot anyway.
I think once a team has 3 proven seamers they're a long way towards getting to where they need to be.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
Well i might be in the minority but i really don't like the guy after he pretty much used our cricket in order to get himself into shape for the county pre-season training and then p/ssed off as soon as the money was waved in his face. His over the top celebrations during our series against England earlier this year weren't appreciated either. If he always wanted to play for England then fine..he should have stated that early and stayed in county cricket instead of using Barbados to fool people 
...in any case the lad has obviously started well and is the flavour of the month...but that quite dreadful run up of his will came back to haunt him...perhaps an opinion tinged with bitterness...but one i'm extremely confident in.
...in any case the lad has obviously started well and is the flavour of the month...but that quite dreadful run up of his will came back to haunt him...perhaps an opinion tinged with bitterness...but one i'm extremely confident in.
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grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Broad, Jordan and Stokes not particularly conventional swing-bowlers, and Jimmeh has done it everywhere. Yet apart from that spiffing addendum.
viriya
International Captain
I respect Anderson's achievements but with an away average of 37 it's clear he prefers home conditions. Broad has pretty much the same home/away breakdown (27 home/37 away) so I find it hard to believe that he doesn't depend on conventional swing. Stokes and Jordan are not tested to make a solid judgment.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
I thought you'd know this, but you basically can't use averages when it comes to Anderson or Broad's careers.
viriya
International Captain
Anderson's improved immensely after a long formative period I know, but he's also past his best. That said if you're evaluating a career the early days do still count - you can't really pick and choose different time periods.
If what you're saying is he's done much better away since 2008 you're probably right, but with just one 5 wkts/innings outside of Eng, NZ and SA (In SL, where his overall average is 41), I find it hard to believe he doesn't depend on swinging conditions.
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
He's done extremely well in difficult conditions in India.
I'm not sure whether or not he's past his best, to be honest. He wasn't great in Australia but it's often difficult to be good when you have no faith in your batsmen.
I'm not saying that he's a complete bowler, just that I think that attack could do very well.
viriya
International Captain
2010-11 was his best period, he's still a consistent performer and has a few more years left in him, but I doubt he will reach that level again.
His India record is good (<30 avg), but with 22 wickets in 7 tests (~3 wickets/test with no 5 wkt hauls), he didn't really have a significant impact.
This is picking apart his record though, I agree Eng have a decent attack - just that it depends on conditions a bit more than when Swann was around.
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flibbertyjibber
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Can't wait to see him in test cricket, deserves a chance though through the bitterness Windie makes a valid point about his run up. If that isn't sorted soon he is going to struggle at some stage.
zaremba
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He will start in the Tests, and has deserved that chance. He has a bit of pace and bounce, he can smack it with the bat, and he's on something of a hot streak. And of course he plays for the most lovable FC team in the world (GOSBTS).
However. He doesn't generate a great deal of lateral movement, yet isn't out-and-out quick; and he has a clumsy and ineffectual run-up, and an action that doesn't speak to me of Test quality. And given that he's in his mid-20s it's already too late for him to effect drastic changes now. I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong but my fear is that the mean to which his career will revert will be pretty, well, average.
However. He doesn't generate a great deal of lateral movement, yet isn't out-and-out quick; and he has a clumsy and ineffectual run-up, and an action that doesn't speak to me of Test quality. And given that he's in his mid-20s it's already too late for him to effect drastic changes now. I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong but my fear is that the mean to which his career will revert will be pretty, well, average.
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flibbertyjibber
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You are probably right zaremba but we would all rather see Jordan in the side than Bresnan come the 12th of June.
fredfertang
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Tom Smith would be a better selection
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Yeah he was spotted aged 16 and came over to England on a scholarship having been part of the Barbados youth system up until then. Despite what the ECB PR team says, those in Barbados cricket know he hadn't really made up his mind about who he wanted to play for until a couple of years ago. He kept coming back to play Brabados cricket and trials and wanted to play in our FC season to see if he could grab the selectors attention. For a number of years he struggled to get in ahead of Edwards, Best, Cummins, Braithwaite, Holder etc. But when he dide he did well. But then he got a place in the England Lions/Academy team and never looked back.
I'm not angry with him, I have no problem with his choice to play for England and Surrey obviously put a lot of work into his development. Our selectors were never going to give him a game anyway (he wasn't playing enough for Barbados and they are terrible talent spotters). I hope he performs really well. The only caveat I put on it is that he must never play for Barbados again and take the place of a potential young West Indies pacer now that he has made his choice.
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