***Official*** DRS discussion thread

[Prince EWS]

Let me remind you that Irfan was no-balled today when in fact it wasn't a no-ball. This is an example of the umpires not following the rules.

No; you're not getting the point at all.

The umpire thought he stepped over the line. The umpire was wrong, but that's a mistake in judgement, not a poor or incorrect application of the rules. Only the latter deserves an official statement.

 

[uvelocity]

South Africa v Pakistan, 2nd Test, Cape Town, 2nd day : ICC admits error in Kallis dismissal | Cricket News | South Africa v Pakistan | ESPN Cricinfo

Just more evidence that it's not a problem with the system, but with the muppets implementing it.

the muppets are inside the system. the muppets form part of the system. when the muppets fail the system fails.

 

[uvelocity]

 

[morgieb]

So....what do people think of the DRS now?

Personally, the problem isn't with the system but the teams using referrals. But umpire's referrals need to be changed - make them have a judgement on the issue and make sure the third umpire has enough evidence to overturn it, if not then the third umpire's decision may stay. Hopefully should eradicate decisions like the Bell and Agar ones.

It also hasn't helped that we're in a high profile series, have had a lot of marginal calls and have had poor umpiring.

I feel like a dick for bumping this up, but meh.

 

[kyear2]

Don't understand how one can overturn a caught behind decision with no mark from hot spot.

 

[silentstriker]

It's cause its the BCCI clearly messing with the system.

 

[grecian]

Still heavily in favour.

Yet want it changed so that the Third umps are specialist. For better use of the tech, for less accusations of bias towards their own kind.

This series has been SOOO weird though, just hideously officiated. Mind you so was England-India, Cooks LBW's that were shockers. Not sure what's happening with Umps ATM.

 

[Furball]

Don't understand how one can overturn a caught behind decision with no mark from hot spot.

Because there was a noise.

 

[Cooky Monster]

Snocko needs to be included, why does it take so long for snicko to work anyway?, in this age surely its not hard to have it give an instant result.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Because there was a noise.

Yep, don't see what's so hard to understand. Everyone knows that HotSpot sometimes misses small edges, that doesn't prove he missed it. The noise however is pretty conclusive evidence.

 

[watson]

If the Umpire gives the batsman out then his decision should be reviewed by the Third Umpire, and every facet of the dismissal taken into consideration during the review. If both the Umpire and Third Umpire agree with eachother then the batsman is out, no question. In dismissals that are difficult to adjudicate then the Third Umpire should have the 'final say' after consultation with the field Umpire.

If an appeal is rejected by the Umpire then the bowling team should be allowed 2 challenges per batsman, per innings. Obviously there needs to be some limit otherwise the bowler will be challenging everything.

In a nutshell, it is the Third Umpire who gives each batsman out and takes responsibility, not the field Umpire.

The wishy-washy half-baked system currently in place is not working because too many 'howlers' are still getting through. Hence the use of technology should be more frequent, and more freely available to players and umpires alike.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

If the Umpire gives the batsman out then his decision should be reviewed by the third Umpire, and every facet of the dismissal taken into consideration during the review - end of story.

If an appeal is rejected by the Umpire then the bowling team should be allowed 2 challenges per batsman, per innings. Obviously there needs to be some limit otherwise the bowler will be challenging everything.

The wishy-washy half-baked system currently in place is not working because too many 'howlers' are still getting through. Hence the use of technology should be more frequent, and more freely available to players and umpires alike.

Enjoy your 5 minutes of cricket per day

 

[watson]

Enjoy your 5 minutes of cricket per day

Not every dismissal is complicated. If a batsman gets clean-bowled then the Third Umpire only has to check the bowlers front-foot - 30 seconds tops. The same goes for a straightforward catch in the outfield, or an edge to the second/third/fourth slip or gully. So on average we are looking at about 2 minutes per dismissal. On a busy day where the batting team has collapsed to be all out then that's roughly 22 minutes in total. On a day where few batsman get out then the time lost will be less than 10 minutes.

As far as the bowler challenging the Umpires Not-Out decision, well that depends on how many wickets fall during the day. A smart Captain will also be judicious with his challenging because he only has 2 per batsman. So again, I can't see this being used more than 5-6 times per day on average - about 12 minutes in total.

I think that there will be significantly more than '5 minutes of cricket per day'.

 

[Top_Cat]

Snocko needs to be included, why does it take so long for snicko to work anyway?, in this age surely its not hard to have it give an instant result.

Video and audio streams are separate and there's ambient noise to remove from the audio via some signal processing (patented algorithms, unfortunately). The processed signal then needs to be manually lined-up with the video replay video. All of this takes time to do, assuming everything goes smooth as silk, at least a couple of minutes before the 3rd ump even gets a look at it. The potential problems are fairly obvious too; there's no guarantee that the signal processing will actually identify the right noise as being a nick and there's the possibility of the bloke lining things up making a mistake.

 

[Furball]

Video and audio streams are separate and there's ambient noise to remove from the audio via some signal processing (patented algorithms, unfortunately). The processed signal then needs to be manually lined-up with the video replay video. All of this takes time to do, assuming everything goes smooth as silk, at least a couple of minutes before the 3rd ump even gets a look at it. The potential problems are fairly obvious too; there's no guarantee that the signal processing will actually identify the right noise as being a nick and there's the possibility of the bloke lining things up making a mistake.

Sky have managed to get some snickos on screen for us viewers very quickly, which does give me hope that having it available to the 3rd umpire won't be too far off.

It'll need some education classes for commentators though, Willis was claiming that Agar's snicko proved he didn't hit it because the ball had passed the bat - clearly not understanding frame rates.

 

[CricAddict]

If the Umpire gives the batsman out then his decision should be reviewed by the Third Umpire, and every facet of the dismissal taken into consideration during the review. If both the Umpire and Third Umpire agree with eachother then the batsman is out, no question. In dismissals that are difficult to adjudicate then the Third Umpire should have the 'final say' after consultation with the field Umpire.

If an appeal is rejected by the Umpire then the bowling team should be allowed 2 challenges per batsman, per innings. Obviously there needs to be some limit otherwise the bowler will be challenging everything.

In a nutshell, it is the Third Umpire who gives each batsman out and takes responsibility, not the field Umpire.

The wishy-washy half-baked system currently in place is not working because too many 'howlers' are still getting through. Hence the use of technology should be more frequent, and more freely available to players and umpires alike.

This would make the slow paced game snail-paced.

 

[Jono]

Marred Ashes Tests Leave India Feeling Vindicated On DRS

!!!!!!!!!!

Ravi is the best ****ing troll.

 

[Daemon]

So apparently his stance is he's all for technology but he wants it in the hands of the umpires...that's not what I recall them saying a couple of years ago. iirc they didn't like it because they had issues with the accuracy of the technology itself.

Love his **** up of "**** hits the roof" though. Dumb ****.

 

[silentstriker]

I think they should leave it in the hands of the umpire for one test. When they get 45 overs in over five days because the umpire refers every appeal like they do now with run outs, the idea will get shot down very quickly.

In the NFL, you get coach review. Might be worth it to allow someone in the coaching staff use the two challenges though - allow for the challenge to occur as long as the batsman hasn't left the ground - that should be enough time for at least one replay.


But certainly not in the hands of the umpires.

 

[smash84]

^lolstri