*Official* Second Test at Lord's

[ImpatientLime]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Bresnan's recent form for England been even more dire than Finn's? I can't remember the last time he done anything of note in test cricket.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

I hope to hell the pitch is a bit quicker if they are playing Finn.

One would assume they know its going to be a bit quicker if they're even contemplating it. Holding said on commentary that if they had asked him to bowl on that bitch he'd have thrown the ball back.

 

[grecian]

One would assume they know its going to be a bit quicker if they're even contemplating it. Holding said on commentary that if they had asked him to bowl on that bitch he'd have thrown the ball back.

Cool Freudian stuff there.

 

[Pothas]

Luckily the Selectors tend to shy away from the short termism of the armchair expert.

Bresnan will play if the pitch is more suited to his game - which it might be.

Dropping him right now is not short termism. I like Finn and don't want England to give up on him but he is so obviously low on confidence and out of form that you can't pick him right now.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Bresnan's recent form for England been even more dire than Finn's? I can't remember the last time he done anything of note in test cricket.

Not played a test since the 2nd elbow operation. Make or break for his test career next time he gets a run.

 

[Cabinet96]

Onions shouldn't replace Finn, he's equally as rubbish.

Go with ten then? Lets be serious here, none of the contenders are screaming for a place as such. It's more about picking the least dire. Obviously Finn should be on really thin ice, and probably deserves to go, but none of the replacements are anything to go crazy about. Bresnan hasn't put in a good performance for England in tests since 2011, and just bowled 80mph nothingness against Essex. I loved Tremlett's last work for England but people are being delusional here. The guy has taken 19 championship wickets at 40 this season. It's clearly not the same bowler who took poles at under 20 in tests two years ago. I don't care what Vaughan said about his performance at Yorkshire. The guy took 2/127 there. To put things into perspective, Dernbach has 25 wickets at 30 this year.

Onions is the only guy who has been consistently taking top division wickets in the last year or two. He's outperformed all the major rivals for the 3rd seamers spot for a year and a half. If he's rubbish what does it say about the people you want in, who he's outperformed by such a massive extent?

It really, really pains me to say this, but I think Bresnan and Tremlett's international careers are finished. I've seen very little to get excited about form them for a couple of years and they've both had serious injuries which have hindered them.

 

[MW1304]

Well his career is probably finished after this series. He'll get a go in one of the next two Tests and I can't see it going well.

 

[uvelocity]

England getting wobbly knees imo

 

[Cooky Monster]

I get the feeling Tremlett has been pencilled in for the away tour, Onions and Bresnan are clearly the next in line for the home series, Flower and co seem to be letting/wanting him get a full season of CC under his belt to get back to full fitness and get his bowling right up to scratch and then on to Oz where he would be a big asset to the team.

If thats true hes bowling medium pace, thats a big worry.

 

[social]

Yeah, I've never been convinced about that. Only way I've ever seen bowlers 'learn' accuracy is by losing pace. You're description also reminds me of Mitchell Johnson so much as well.

Jimmy Anderson says hi

 

[Burgey]

I don't understand how he's so brilliant with the white ball but sprays it all over with the red.

Do you reckon he sprayed it around much this last test? I thought they were all pretty accurate tbh.

 

[Furball]

Do you reckon he sprayed it around much this last test? I thought they were all pretty accurate tbh.

He bowled a full toss to Haddin.

edit: Starc and Pattinson were dreadful with the new ball on day 1. They actually bowled so badly they weren't smashed.

 

[Burgey]

He bowled a full toss to Haddin.

edit: Starc and Pattinson were dreadful with the new ball on day 1. They actually bowled so badly they weren't smashed.

Yeah I know he bowled a **** over first up on day four. I don't think they were horrendous with the new ball day one - not great but hardly horrendous. Plenty of plays and misses.

Australia wouldn't have been in the game had their bowlers not bowled tight lines and lengths on day three when batting was at its easiest. Starc was as much a part of that as anyone.

I would have Harris in the side over him for Lord's but I hardly think he was awful.

 

[Furball]

Yeah I know he bowled a **** over first up on day four. I don't think they were horrendous with the new ball day one - not great but hardly horrendous. Plenty of plays and misses.

Australia wouldn't have been in the game had their bowlers not bowled tight lines and lengths on day three when batting was at its easiest. Starc was as much a part of that as anyone.

I would have Harris in the side over him for Lord's but I hardly think he was awful.

Some things just stick in the memory

They were pretty terrible with the new ball, they bowled so much dross that could just be left. Siddle was fractionakly wrong and got smashed, but Starc and Pattinson were so bad they couldn't be safely hit. If that makes sense.

 

[Cabinet96]

Nah, you're being too harsh. Their first couple of overs were pretty wayward, but Pattinson in particular bowled pretty good areas for the majority of his first spell.

 

[hendrix]

Starc and Pattinson weren't as consistently accurate as Anderson was, but they would have got plenty of wickets against slightly less disciplined batting sides. There's a basis approaching consistency there that gives more cause for optimism than with, say, Finn.

They will get to the point where they're hitting those threatening line and lengths more often soon, I would think. Especially Pattinson.

 

[social]

Some things just stick in the memory

They were pretty terrible with the new ball, they bowled so much dross that could just be left. Siddle was fractionakly wrong and got smashed, but Starc and Pattinson were so bad they couldn't be safely hit. If that makes sense.

Starc and Pattinson bowled too wide but the lengths were ok and that's why the batsmen didn't go after them

Siddle just bowled **** and that is why he got smashed early doors

 

[Carn_the_pies]

Patto will stay as will Sidds

Starc out for Bird I reckon.

Cowan has to get the ass as well for Uzzie or Warner

Wears Uvo?

 

[Daemon]

Khawaja coming in will make my day

 

[Tangles]

I'd like that but junior Katman won't play.