*Official* Second Test at Lord's

[3703]

Pattinson hasn't even begun to hit his straps yet. I reckon this is his test.

 

[91Jmay]

Accuracy can be learned

Being a 6'5", left arm quick that hoops it around cannot

Yeah, I've never been convinced about that. Only way I've ever seen bowlers 'learn' accuracy is by losing pace. You're description also reminds me of Mitchell Johnson so much as well.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Pattinson hasn't even broken down yet. I reckon this is his test.

Fixed

 

[Spark]

About 3 test matches closely and highlights of a couple of others, 5 or 6 ODIs. Not a whole lot but nothing about any of the displays (other than his batting which is impressive) really shone to me. I don't think a guy who is potentially world class look as terrible as he did in India tbh.

So basically hardly at all in conditions which give any help to pace bowling. Mmkay.

 

[hendrix]

Starc seems a bit overrated to me. Sure he's tall and he swings it and he's a left armer but so was Brendon Julian and well know how that turned out.
Even if he does improves his accuracy looks a reasonable to good bowler but nothing more than that.

World class left arm at a young age is Wasim Akram - Starc isn't even in the same ballpark as Wasim.

Wasim Akram was the best left arm swing bowler of all time. No, Mitchell Starc is not there yet and will likely never get there. Still, if he gets halfway there that's a pretty good result.

James Anderson isn't quite Malcolm Marshall is he, but I think we can clearly say that he's better than "reasonable to good".

Swings it both ways? We must have different definitions of swing bowling. He occasionally puts a bit of shape in and his natural angle takes it away on occasion. Sort of like saying Finn swings it, technically true on occasion but its hardly a weapon is it. His accuracy is also not something I can see drastically improving without his pace dipping below 140 clips either. GOod bowler, but not a guy I see ever being world class but perhaps I am missing something.

Nope, he's a genuine swing bowler and does swing the ball both ways. You mustn't have seen him bowling in any humidity or something.

Definitely not a seam bowler like Finn. Genuine swing bowler.

Youtube will confirm it.

 

[Spikey]

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[Tangles]

Harris for Starc and Uzi for Ed. Hughes, Uzi and Clarke at 3/4/5.

 

[Ruckus]

Starc needs to work on his bowling when the conditions aren't conducive to swing. Think he should try and develop a really aggressive component of his game (lots of fast yorkers and bouncers) for when there isn't much movement around. He has an excellent bouncer, thanks to his height, but he doesn't use it enough. The same goes for his yorkers. He seems to save most of them for the tail for some reason.

 

[Spark]

He doesn't seem to have great game sense yet - just seems to run up and bowl without a very clear plan as to how to get the batsman out beyond the inswinger. That's a product of inexperience, imo, and it'll come with time.

 

[Ruckus]

yeah he's a bit one dimensional.

 

[Daemon]

I don't understand how he's so brilliant with the white ball but sprays it all over with the red.

 

[Ruckus]

I would think it's probably for a similar reason why bowlers like Lee and Tait have been much more successful in the shorter format. It's not that they spray it around any less, it's just that bowlers who are really fast or bowl big inswing etc. are much harder to face when there's actually pressure to play at more deliveries. They still have bad economies, but their SR's make up for it.

 

[wpdavid]

Depends how fit he is.....if he can take the role of workhorse and bowl a lot of overs I'd have no problem having him in. TBH I'm not that fussed between either Bres, Onions or Tremlett........my only criteria is that whoever it is can bowl a lot and keep it tight so we don't have to kill Jimmy Anderson in order to win the test match.

I think that's pretty sound. Tremlett still hasn't bowled a huge number of overs this season and hasn't been taking a large number of wickets when he has bowled. One for the return leg, imo. He certainly isn't one to send down a large number of overs to give Jimmy a breather. I'm not completely sold on Bresnan, but I suspect he might be a btter bet than Onions in the current heatwave. Certainly as a workhorse in the first innings. Perhaps less so in the 2nd innings when the pitch should have more for Swann. I also don't think that Onions has completely recovered his previous form since the injury.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

I see Scaley still ridicolously overates Onions - and shows the massive northern chip on his shoulder at every turn.

Unless it's a 'conditions' pick you gain nothing from chopping and changing.

Finn seems to be the target for his 2nd innings bowling which, on the last day, came at a time when Haddin decided to take a risk, and on a pitch which had become totally unsuited for his bowling.

 

[Pothas]

Nah there is no way you can pick Finn after that test. I am almost certain they will play Bresnan at Lords.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Nah there is no way you can pick Finn after that test. I am almost certain they will play Bresnan at Lords.

Luckily the Selectors tend to shy away from the short termism of the armchair expert.

Bresnan will play if the pitch is more suited to his game - which it might be.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Luckily the Selectors tend to shy away from the short termism of the armchair expert.

Bresnan will play if the pitch is more suited to his game - which it might be.

Given Bresnan's record at Lord's i'd not pick him. Finn or Bunny Onions for me.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

Selvey seems to think Finn will play at Lords.

 

[Expressway76]

I hope to hell the pitch is a bit quicker if they are playing Finn.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Hope he doesn't go full Stuart Broad enforcer way if he does play.