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Who is the most overated player from the subcontinent, ever?

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If one were to define overrated as hysterical overvaluation of skills and performances by some pundits - better than Bradman, etc. - I'd go with Tendulkar.
A case of some high amplitude nonsense, from those who should know better, tainting one's appreciation of an awesome cricketer.
Otherwise, Akram, followed by Inzamam. Not to forget Sangakkara and Jayawardene.
 
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Maximas said:
Yeah, regarding Kumble, no other bowler got anywhere close to him that game, the Aussie bowlers only managed 9 wickets between them for the match,Kumble also had to bowl to openers who were well set both digs. On a pitch that offered the bowlers nothing that performance was quite special.

As for Sanga/Jayawardene, I think it's fair to say that Mahela is overrated somewhat, as he has no consistency outside the SC, but I think Sanga deserves the praise he gets, he averages 55 and has made big runs overseas. Although his record doesn't quite compare to others outside the SC, I think every player has some trouble in foreign conditions, and Sanga is one of few SC batsmen who is able to hold himself together outside the SC. Take the recent Boxing day test for example, Sanga was the only one who could hold a bat it seemed. Until he got injured and literally couldn't hold the bat that is.
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His substandard performances in 4 (not one or 2, but 4!) countries - England, South Africa, West Indies, and India - indicate that the quality of his renown is greater than the quality of his feats.
 
Maximas

Maximas

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hang on said:
His substandard performances in 4 (not one or 2, but 4!) countries - England, South Africa, West Indies, and India - indicate that the quality of his renown is greater than the quality of his feats.
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Mid 30s in each country you mentioned not disastrous but not very good either, he hasn't played many matches in each (only 4 in the WI, maybe he just had a bad series in terms of form?), in each of the other 3 he has at least one century, which shows he can deal with the conditions to an extent. I think his average of 60 in Australia says something though, especially given the bowling attacks he has had to deal with (Warne/McGrath in 04, Lee, Clark, Johnson in 07). I will agree that there are some holes in his CV, but overall he has been quite a special batsmen, especially if you consider his ODI career and the complications involved with his wicket keeping.
 
karan316

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I think there are lesser number of Asian players who are actually overrated, I think the majority of our media and journalists are rubbish, and nor are they accepted all over the world, the English and Aussie press are taken quite seriously, and they take full advantage of it to glorify their players and place them above others, and it has been the case since years before teams like India, Pak or SL started getting recognition, I rather see more number of Aussies being overrated than any other players in the world.

I also find it pretty weird that match winners like Kumble and VVS are being considered overrated, they are actually quite underrated..:blink:
 
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Flem274*

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Some batsman are better than their average suggests because not everyone wants to be brutally focused all the time.
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No, in that case they're about as good as their average suggests because they are lazier than those superior to them.
 
Salamuddin

Salamuddin

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Laxman averaged 40+ in both South Africa and Australia - you won't find many subcontinental batsmen who achieved that. Dravid and Tendulkar didn't and neither has Sangakkara.

All of India's test wins in Australia and South Africa in the past decade featured major VVS contributions.

In fact, Laxman has a pretty good record record in just about every country he played - poorest is against England where he averages 34.47. And that average is skewed by a single poor tour he had there at the fag end of his career in 2011.

IMO he's always been massively underrated as a test batsman.
 
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Maximas said:
Mid 30s in each country you mentioned not disastrous but not very good either, he hasn't played many matches in each (only 4 in the WI, maybe he just had a bad series in terms of form?), in each of the other 3 he has at least one century, which shows he can deal with the conditions to an extent. I think his average of 60 in Australia says something though, especially given the bowling attacks he has had to deal with (Warne/McGrath in 04, Lee, Clark, Johnson in 07). I will agree that there are some holes in his CV, but overall he has been quite a special batsmen, especially if you consider his ODI career and the complications involved with his wicket keeping.
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I am not at all suggesting that he is not an excellent batsman, it's just that he is not one of the all time great batsmen.
 
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Salamuddin said:
Laxman averaged 40+ in both South Africa and Australia - you won't find many subcontinental batsmen who achieved that. Dravid and Tendulkar didn't and neither has Sangakkara.

All of India's test wins in Australia and South Africa in the past decade featured major VVS contributions.

In fact, Laxman has a pretty good record record in just about every country he played - poorest is against England where he averages 34.47. And that average is skewed by a single poor tour he had there at the fag end of his career in 2011.

IMO he's always been massively underrated as a test batsman.
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Nope -- Tendulkar averages 46 in South Africa and 53 in Australia. Laxman 40 in South Africa and 44 in Australia.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Nasser Hussain, Saj Mahmood, Owais Shah, Ravi Bopara, Monty Panesar. pick a random number and it's yours.
 
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doesitmatter

U19 Cricketer
Shahid Afridi..
Vinod Kambli within Indian circle..people keep saying he would have been the next Tendulkar or better than him.... ganta
 
fredfertang

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Migara said:
Nasser Hussain, Saj Mahmood, Owais Shah, Ravi Bopara, Monty Panesar. pick a random number and it's yours.
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Since when has Bolton been on the sub-continent?

(GIMH's views on this question are irrelevant and almost certainly deeply flawed)
 
Cabinet96

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Tbf, it seems to be implied by many journalists, pundits and forumers that the UAE is in the sub-continent, so I guess it's not too extreme to imagine Bolton and Leicster being in there either.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
fredfertang said:
Since when has Bolton been on the sub-continent?

(GIMH's views on this question are irrelevant and almost certainly deeply flawed)
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Bolton is full of subhumans, probably explains the misunderstanding.

Apology accepted Migara.
 
watson

watson

Banned
karan316 said:
I think there are lesser number of Asian players who are actually overrated, I think the majority of our media and journalists are rubbish, and nor are they accepted all over the world, the English and Aussie press are taken quite seriously, and they take full advantage of it to glorify their players and place them above others, and it has been the case since years before teams like India, Pak or SL started getting recognition, I rather see more number of Aussies being overrated than any other players in the world.

I also find it pretty weird that match winners like Kumble and VVS are being considered overrated, they are actually quite underrated..:blink:
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Australian players and the Australian team are generally rated about right. Hence, the Australian team is currently full of crap players so we get beaten, and no one is surprised. A decade ago the Australian team was full of great players so we won a lot of Test matches, and no one was surprised.

But for some reason when the Indian team of the noughties didn't win Test matches, everyone acted surprised. This surprise gives the game away and proves that the Indian players were over-rated. If they weren't over-rated then no one would be surprised when they failed to win a series.

Or to put it another way, the Indian team of the noughties didn't win often because it was, in reality, mediocre. But unfortunately, reality too often gave way to delusion.
 
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